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Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:02 GMT
#613
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:09 GMT
#615
On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.

As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.


Cats, curious for your opinion.

Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?

It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.


That's pretty much what I thought.

##Unvote
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:23 GMT
#625
Meat, meat, what about me?
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:31 GMT
#630
On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible.


I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me.


Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are:

1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes
2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage
3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes
4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good

If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game
If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum
If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end
If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum

In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:33 GMT
#634
On June 23 2014 11:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.

now that's what I call scummy


I am baffled.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 02:59 GMT
#670
Templar, this
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.

is enough for you to change your mind about MM?

Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument?

MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.

It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:02 GMT
#676
This is weird, this is very weird.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:05 GMT
#681
On June 23 2014 11:59 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
you guys are pushing on me for now two reasons, a small point of inconsitancy that happens to everyone and the fact that im not giving my reads on one person.


If there is a cop in this set-up,

id check in no particualr order
cats
tolkien
jabberwock

and if you are still alive and glooming bear is alive, check him to


Oddly enough, I agree with this.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:09 GMT
#688
On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:
Templar, this
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.

is enough for you to change your mind about MM?

Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument?

MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.

It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.

I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached.
Show nested quote +

On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be

Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.

King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.

The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.

Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.

Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.

Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.

Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.

HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.

Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.

in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)

Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?

Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?

What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?

Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?

I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding)

I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien?

It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people.

This thread has gotten really, really weird.


I agree with you templar, both meats are suspicious. However, I think MM's lynch would help us more, regardless of which way he flips. He still seems a little bit more scummy than pudding to me. Hmm.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:10 GMT
#690
On June 23 2014 12:06 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar i'm sooo town it hurts. Like im still here defending myself when pudding hasn't posted at all...


I really hope pudding does post though :/ He said he was compiling reads a while ago? Tbh I'd rather hear a defense at this point.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:12 GMT
#695
On June 23 2014 12:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Also kingofCats are you fucking retarded? Like, i posted a scenario for a possible relationship between tolkien and i that no one pointed out.

I also gave told you why i found people in my scum people i found scummy...

If there is a vigi, for the love of god, shoot Cats.


I think I missed that post, can you show me?
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:24 GMT
#712
MM, how much effort did you put into this post? I don't mean that condescendingly, I'm genuinely asking.

On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!

im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages

current reads:

THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.

King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.

Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.

Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.

meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.

Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.

Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.


for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.

##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:32 GMT
#721
On June 23 2014 12:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
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On June 23 2014 12:23 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
there was a time period before you started this train and my post on cats where i believe this read should have come up.

WHAT READ

I DONT EVEN

I still don't understand this smoking hot relationship we apparently could've shared. tell me plzzzz

Are you trying to say that if I didn't start the train this is how it could've been viewed? WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING!?!?


I second this.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:38 GMT
#726
On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person...


I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be.

Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:41 GMT
#729
On June 23 2014 12:38 Hobbitus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person...


I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be.

Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0


Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:44 GMT
#736
On June 23 2014 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 12:41 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:38 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person...


I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be.

Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0


Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck.

Only if he flips green. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to rule out a couple.


Maybe? Oi my head.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:55 GMT
#751
On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:

I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.

Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.

##Vote: MysteryMeat1

Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:57 GMT
#756
On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz


Meat, if you are town, anything useful to say?
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 03:59 GMT
#761
On June 23 2014 12:56 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 12:55 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:

I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.

Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.

##Vote: MysteryMeat1


What is the purpose of this post exactly?


I just thought the bolded bit was worth noting.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 23 2014 04:01 GMT
#768
Oh god I need to sleep.
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