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On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Exactly, but it doesn't make MZ any less scummy. What is the one point that needs addressing?
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On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town?
Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin.
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On May 30 2014 11:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary. MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier.
Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right?
And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out.
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HF I hate playing together with you STOP IT
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4 WTB out-of-game bets
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On May 30 2014 12:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 30 2014 12:44 Holyflare wrote: damn you found me plz dotn post teh best case ever people will know im mafia no dice. also the scum in cell a is meapak and ill get to that when i get the chance. I'm telling you right now i am most definitely town and you are majorly wasting yours and eventually other people's time by making them read anything about me being mafia. Narp I'm fine listening to him.
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Yeah that case is actually pretty turbs. Stuff like this for example:
this statement does not indicate trying to explain a poor read. its a justification of a rather poor read by trying to play it off as a joke. HF actually has no idea how to react to this accusation but tries to play it off anyway. its an indication that he knows more than he actually should.
And this:
tbh, i can see where he is coming from here, because none of us have done anything and we sho- ...wait: Show nested quote + Yay sloosh stepped up! Now we can actually kill smurf or tambo (smurf smurf smurf, probs tambo)
wat. how is this consistent with his views of a shitty cell D? sloosh does a thing and its fine, but apparently cell d is still a shit group because he doesnt like it apparently. Just really looks like stretching. Like that second quote---how is that inconsistent at all?
I dunno I want to be convinced of HF scum as much as the next person but bleargh.
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On May 30 2014 14:48 Holyflare wrote: Just admit your inner feelings that you think I'm town and roll with it because I am.
From Cultured:
On March 01 2014 07:35 Holyflare wrote: kinda wanna be set freeeeeeeeee, confirmed town is boring :D
On March 01 2014 09:04 Holyflare wrote: anyway, geript+me+vivax+wave with dem town hugs <3 <3 (maybe gumshoe) let's gogogogo
As town i look towny straight away. Just like this game. Hence when I see you writing a case on why I should die everyone can tell you it's a waste of your time because if you are town then you should be finding the last guy, not talking about random scenarios.
Just for one game's example.
In conclusion, stfu kindly sir.
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On May 30 2014 14:58 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok firstly, sorry for earlier guys. I was rather ticked off for RL issues and I took it out on this thread. So I apologize.
Any post that people are having trouble understanding, feel free to ask me and I will clarify. I'll be around for a while tonight so I'll be in and out of thread for the next few hours~ Clarify your thoughts on the entirety of your cell.
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On May 30 2014 15:03 Holyflare wrote:Don't think I'll really be around tomorrow /my lynch day  need to study like a bitch DAT SCUMSLIP
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On May 30 2014 15:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: I'm town, right now and other than the fact that neither one of Rit or MZ seem to be honestly trying to deduce my alignment I think Rit is the townier of the group for at least taking stabs at trying for the rest of the game.
I just skimmed the thread real fast though but iirc he says something like "MZ my freedombuddy obv just based on that alone still think Odin is the scum. Freedom never lies!" or at least along those lines. His town read on MZ is based on terrible logic. And his scum read on me is worse. But only one of them can be scum.
And since MZ's soles contribution to this game is hard buddying 1 hr into it. Following up with trying to get me lycnhed is just so bad. Like he's pretty much saying he knows, as a fact, that Rit is town, and I am scum. He never tries to figure it out. He just knows. There is only 1 faction that knows alignments of every player. It's the opposite of mine. Can you then explain how this is different from my cell?
All you're doing is rehashing everything that's been said. What I want is a coherent summary of your monster posts on MZ/ritoky and why their cases are wrong/bad because there was just too much business in there to follow.
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On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote: Yeh k odin is town. Why?
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On May 30 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote: Yeh k odin is town. Why? Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all. What does that have to do with Odin's recent return?
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On May 30 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote: Yeh k odin is town. Why? Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all. What does that have to do with Odin's recent return?
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On May 30 2014 18:55 Tehpoofter wrote: So ScumPalmer comes into the thread what does he do if he sees his teammate getting voted? He probably votes on him to BW and maybe gain some cred. Him voting someone different is odd to me like he knows its a ML on MZ or something. THen again what Obi said just screams tmi scum to me. This makes no sense to me whatsoever. What good would voting his scum partner now do for a scum palmar?
You'd better step it up poofter.
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Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you? I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin?
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On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote: Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right. If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right. If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this? I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. So in other words this entire post doesn't mean anything at all. Thanks.
The only switch I would everm dream of considering right now would be onto ritoky. I want the power players in this game to really consider what that means. If I didn't know that MZ fights his lynch as scum I would think ritoky actually might have a. Higher chance to flip eyed because he simply fucked off for ages and let shit go with the votes on their wrong person.
I think if it come down to ritoky and we were wrong right now, we're all fucking stupid and I absolutely don't want o be responsible for that so we're going to sit down and figure this shit out. I want to be right.
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On May 31 2014 04:51 Holyflare wrote: People talk about massive bussing on mz. Robik decides it's no longer massive bussing # logic
Get the fuck on mz, the fact it's no longer unanimous should be obvious. I was thinking this myself, but it honestly can't decide what the better play for scum is here. Try an derail things or just bus and move on. I think you're right and the emailing makes more sense since there were enough dissenting voices for it to make at least a little sense.
Either that or ritoky is scum.
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On May 31 2014 04:56 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote: Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right. If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right. If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this? I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. So in other words this entire post doesn't mean anything at all. Thanks. The only switch I would everm dream of considering right now would be onto ritoky. I want the power players in this game to really consider what that means. If I didn't know that MZ fights his lynch as scum I would think ritoky actually might have a. Higher chance to flip eyed because he simply fucked off for ages and let shit go with the votes on their wrong person. I think if it come down to ritoky and we were wrong right now, we're all fucking stupid and I absolutely don't want o be responsible for that so we're going to sit down and figure this shit out. I want to be right. I think it would be better for you to say "this entire post doesn't mean anything at all to me" because you can only speak for yourself. Thanks, TL New Behaviour Rules Post for taking human form and playing this game with us! (Or being some sort of pre-programmed mafia-playig script)
layabout let's chat. What does it mean if we're currently wrong about MZ?
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