EPTOn May 30 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.
I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.
Have you?
I have a vote down.
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On May 30 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote: probably still mz but i wanna look at his posts a bit more, interested how odin can go from spaz drunk typing to not drunk typing so fast  Much like gumshoe (and to an unfortunate degree, Onegu,) Odin seems to me like one of those people who just shoudn't be playing mafia. Simple as that. So if you're not sure yourself, why ask me HF? | ||
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On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach! I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy. Good to have you, but it means I was wrong about smurf guy. Who else posts gifs? Guess it could be Ace I suppose. | ||
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Pls Hasn't read game, thinks I'm scum | ||
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I guess it's entirely likely bunnies could tryhard like this as scum, right? Also the further the day goes on the better I feel about MZ scum...kind of annoyed HF called dibs on it | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote: Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell. Kk. Let's try and be sure of group A. Completely ignoring odins outburst, I'm fairly certain he's town and was since he came into the thread. I want to look at the cases made against MZ because I haven't really looked at what peoples reasonings are for calling him scum. What are yours? Also I can't remember if you answered my question from earlier. | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar. I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it. In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't. Through the madness there appears to be the background of critical thinking in Odin's posting. The early more coherent stuff included. Not likely faked, though I must say I'd be impressed at this point if Odin were scum---those would be BH lengths he's going through to keep himself alive (not that I am basing my read of him in any way on anything he posted today lol. And i Guess not that BH is so good at keeping himself alive when scum anyway. Guy gets caught like every game). I agree with you on some extent in regards to MZ---there was also something that struck me that reminds me a little of PYP:LoL and is once again a shit association case. What are the chances scum Sloosh showed up with his case on scum MZ and then MZ showed up to muddy the waters? Him and Mocsta faked a big argument in LoL that worked for quite a while in their favour. I can't say I'm considering this thought extensively but it just seemed pretty damn coinicdental to me. At the very least it makes me want to go read Sloosh's MZ case (and everyone else's reasons for finding him scum) to be sure. As for ritoky....meh. It's pretty binary. Either it's a scumplay or it isn't, and I may just look back at his whole filter simply from that context. | ||
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If we're also considering your group I'm kinda curious as to what you think of Robik too. Continuing to look into MZ and people's posts about him in the meantime. | ||
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Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus. You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and? It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own. ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit. I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote: Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me? Is that scummy? I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing. | ||
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I think right now I'm at MZ/Palmar/Sloosh/mderg/??? team right now. Fuck your group HF. | ||
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His response to me calling him scum is odd in a way I'm not really used to---like he defends himself by almost discrediting me and/or tearing up my argument but not in a scummy way per se. Also yeah to post that realization that we win by going 3-0 much later in the game than I did (but it was essentially the exact same kind of realization' gives me decent feels. Oh and HF this question from earlier btw: On May 30 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Much like gumshoe (and to an unfortunate degree, Onegu,) Odin seems to me like one of those people who just shoudn't be playing mafia. Simple as that. So if you're not sure yourself, why ask me HF? Regarding the 'making up of my mind.' | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote: I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere. So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way? Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote: Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot  This game especially. Is changing one's mind seen as a scummy or towny trait generally? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote: Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:18 Holyflare wrote: It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that? Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more. Eh I was wrong about the replacement thing last time and SHiaoPi is an honourable guy and would replace out as either alignment if he needed to. Not looking into that. Now surely you can't possibly be telling me that you truly believe that Robik would come in blaring his intentions, being completely serious about them, and move on in a heartbeat? AND that that somehow makes him scum? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:20 Holyflare wrote: So then nobody is going to mention what i wrote about mderg then earlier in regards to this? :/ Your turn to link it for me. | ||
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Ehhhhh I don't like making reads this way. People have all sorts of reasons for this kind of thing and I very much believe in sticking to non-ongoing-type stuff. I'm still fine with mderg as scum purely by PoE right now (not that it's particularly relevant right now anyway---see mderg/bunnies' useless fight) because I haven't bothered to read much of that group's filters and don't really feel like it atm. | ||
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