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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#438
Vivax what does that post actually say? The first part seems like you're scum reading him for throwing out reads and claiming lynch bait the second part seems like you're town reading him for being assertive?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 15:28 GMT
#444
On May 07 2014 00:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 22:42 mderg wrote:

My read on Oats didn´t change. He might be scum, he might not be scum. I doubt we can figure it out, if we just ride on that one case he made on you.

Why arent you trying to figure it out?

That´s a bad question. I am trying to figure it out. It´s just that the whole back and forth with you and holy made it more difficult for me.


Wait what...? The only way to figure it out is WITH the back and forth. I asked you AFTER the back and forth what you thought of oats and you said no opinion. Then you changed it to he might be scummy but not just based off that one thing. Then you posted saying you were going to disagree with me that oats was scum but oats was making it hard to do that with his posts and now it's MORE difficult to figure anything out with the same information you had before?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 15:39 GMT
#446
On May 06 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey i'm back. what's going on?


baby come back
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 15:41 GMT
#447
thrawn you gotta play bro otherwise i gotta call you scum and i don't want that and you don't want that so come cuddle and have a chat!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 15:53 GMT
#450
Well apparently I'm misunderstanding you and that is YOUR responsibility to clarify it to me, you don't need to get angry or pissed at me for that. I want you to explain what was going through your mind when you made these posts and lay it all out so I understand what you're actually getting at:



On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?


Here you realise Oats lied about meta, he later backs it up by saying he made it up to look convincing so other people would lynch me here:

On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?

I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that.


This is directly after what you wrote so you should have seen it.

On May 06 2014 01:04 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

This is a totally uninformed and useless comment that is taking what I said and twisting it to suit his purposes.

I was not twisting anything to suit my purposes. I just think it´s stupid to state something as a fact, if you don´t know it for fact.
I also don´t think it´s useless to point something out that I strongly disagree with. Even if Holy was scum, your case had absolutely nothing to back it up.


Here you ignored the fact that he said he outright said that he LIED to get me lynched, instead you make it out to be him making a mistake.

Quite some time later, you display no reason for any change of heart, any reasons to change your mind.

On May 06 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:
I´m still here, I don´t have anything to add right now.

You even state that you have no opinion.


So what changed between you thinking that he was scummy but maybe not because it's just one case to thinking he WASN'T scummy in this post:

On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


You even ignore the part where he said he lied on purpose, which led me to believe you actually HADN'T been reading. Then you got pissy at me for pointing it out.


Explain to me what gave you those reactions, what made you change your mind, lay it all out for me like i'm a 5 year old wanting to learn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 15:59 GMT
#452
On May 07 2014 00:54 Koshi wrote:
I am tired. I might be off for 12 hours.

~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 16:04 GMT
#454
So when I said you didn't read the thread properly that was in fact correct? You said oats :

you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible".


when I just proved that wasn't the case
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 16:19 GMT
#457
Not reading properly is the same as not reading the thread. Arguably not reading properly is far worse because you start making up things you think to be true because you have a warped version compared to everyone else and then we reach this impass.

If you can't convince someone to be lynched through normal means, resorting to lying is "using any means possible" that's not really a far stretch. Which is why it's more odd that you compare lying to using bad meta instead because the 2 are not equivalent at all. Unless you are implying they are.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 16:21 GMT
#458
On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing?


Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 16:22 GMT
#459
I would switch my vote to Vivax if it wasn't iml but infinite days op for discussion
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 16:48 GMT
#460
You know.... If people would actually discuss things :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:15 GMT
#462
On May 07 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing?


Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us.


And how does all of this make me scum? I bring my points across, you can elaborate on them or not and if you don't think they are true then you don't have to try and convince me so hard of your own point of view.

I have trouble understanding what you're trying to achieve with all your actions.
You want me to see Cava's post as townie, I don't think I have to.
You want me to acknowledge Oats is a liar and that makes me scum. I use other ways of reading him.

And when I don't agree with you and don't want to discuss that with you cause I don't enjoy that, then it makes me scum?


Are you kidding? The scummyness is you're portraying ME negatively pre-emptively before an event even happened. "i didn't want to discuss cav's post to stop an argument", you haven't discussed ANYTHING. You sit back post random sidenotes about a read that hadn't properly evolved. You post a case on oats being town and when disproved you decided not to comment on any of it, take no part in the game, ignore everything i write to then return and tell us about cavalinho all over again. You've even completely dropped any mention of oats so i have to assume you actually AGREED with my points on him.


You don't listen to any points about anything, there's no reason to believe you even care, you have no substance in your posts. "cav is more assertive as town" proves nothing says nothing, especially when he was assertive in that post and without proof of what you mean nobody has any idea if it's true or not . You don't question anyone, you don't even consider that you might have misread a post because you weren't there at the time whereas the people that were there say the post has a different tone. You are spreading doubt amongst people that are actually playing the game and you are lurking.

Now tell me again how that's not scummy?

Agenda 101.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:24 GMT
#464
On May 07 2014 02:21 Steveling wrote:
Can you guys drop this, vivax is super towny.
If he's scum he deserves to win. I can't read him as scum.


"super towny"
"i can't read him as scum"

What a hero. Nobody deserves to win if they are scum. Ever. Drop that line of thinking immediately. I've already asked you to explain why you think he is town but you haven't done it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:37 GMT
#467
On May 07 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote:
I said multiple times that I find his behavior perfectly normal.


That's good to know but we don't so point out specifically with quotes which parts are super towny.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:50 GMT
#470
On May 07 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
I refuse to do that since there are players yet to say anything.
Don't get tunnel vision on him.


I'm not at all but this post is beyond ridiculous to make. Why do you refuse yet state you don't want me to tunnel vision on him??? I think he is scum and have laid out why. You think he is supppeerrr town, super town enough for you to try and stop us discussing him but REFUSE to post reasons why you think he is town???????

What the fuck man.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:53 GMT
#471
The easiest way to find scum is to narrow down the pool in which to search by finding townies. Why aren't you helping with that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:55 GMT
#473
On May 07 2014 02:53 Koshi wrote:
Holyflare makes me laugh.

??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 17:56 GMT
#474
Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 07 2014 02:05 GMT
#483
Your other game is still at deadline....

How has there been like 0 discussion since i left???????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 07 2014 02:06 GMT
#484
On May 07 2014 03:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter

What category is that?


The category of doing nothing. Don't be a catastrophe koshi
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