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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
First off Everyone should claim today I'm Vanilla Town. Going to read over again all the stuff Koshi is accusing me of. I will say I saw you didn't vote in the voting thread thanks for that Koshi had you and had you been town we could have potentially lost already so at least that is townie of you. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 11 2014 22:46 Koshi wrote: Vanilla town. My lynch is still poofter. I will make a case when I am home in 6 hours. Oats wanted to lynch poof. Steve wanted to lynch poof. Thrawn said Steve wagon was scummy. Poof started.that wagon d1. Not a single dead townie wanted to lynch me. While after the night kill it looks like I am in the lead to get lynched. How are you in the lead to get lynched??? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:32 Koshi wrote: Could you give your opinion on this? You have to know that Poofter at this moment got Steveling as 85% scum. Why does Poofter say that Oats is setting up tomorrows misslynch? 1) Doesn't this imply poofter knows today is a misslynch? As in 'tomorrow scum needs 1 more misslynch and Oats is making that happen". 2) Why would Poofter think he is going to get "misslynched" tomorrow when he is the one that pushed Steve? Does he know Steve is town and therefore after this lynch he will become a target? Looks like it. If I die as town I'm always a misslynch. So it felt like to me Oats was implying that I was reaching out to Steve as a scumbuddy or even scum attempting to help a townie or something when I said the "boring" post he harped on. So in my eyes if Oats is scum he is starting a narrative to get my lynched the next day regardless of the flip on Steve. The fact that made me think this was when he called it a "policy" lynch which I think is kinda bullshit if I don't think someone is scummy I don't lynch them my policy is to lynch those I find scummy. Koshi why are you asking such leading questions? imo its more townie to either a) give you read on the situation and see if others agree or b) Don't give a read at all and just ask "Hey mderg what do you make of this post" I feel like the way you're asking the questions you're drawing the (incorrect) conclusions for mderg which is scummy. Let him make up his own mind. Brb wrecking the other posts you made. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:34 Koshi wrote: The bolded is the only reasoning IN THE ENTIRE GAME for a scumread of Poofter. Poofter has got 0 scumreads this entire game except for Steveling. Look in his filter. Give me 1 more piece of reasoning to why somebody is scum that poofter has done. On May 12 2014 03:03 mderg wrote: The oats kill is kinda strange. I don´t think there was any indication of him having a power role and he was one of the top lynch targets. Makes me feel like it´s poofter trying to divert attention by killing his biggest scumread. Why would scum kill their next and probably easiest lynch target? Because they seem slightly less scummy doing so. This is based on assumptions but definitely makes sense for me. I was going to quote my posts where I said that I thought Oats was scummy but I will let you hear them from mderg who says Oats was my "biggest scum read" its in bold. (Steve was my biggest scum read but still) If someone that isn't me is saying that it was my biggest scum read why don't you notice this Koshi? I mean clearly Mderg thinks I had a scum read on him. Also if you will look at the previous quote I posted where I thought that Oats was scummy for making that statement where it felt like he was trying to setup my mislynch. You linked the post so assuming you're reading I think by my tone you can surmise I thought he was scummy. Do you see that? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:38 Koshi wrote: This is the post Poofter has put in the most effort in. what does this post say? I assume HF is town. (most likely scumbuddy) I assume all the votes are on Vivax so mderg is town. I assume Steve is red. Then pre-flip association reads for all the other people. Nothing here is based on anything. All assumptions. This post is basically worth nothing. Poofter also never ever did anything with what he wrote down here. He just wrote it down once and that was that. I wrote it down with seeing what I could learn and to reference later knowing more information and plan on doing so again today. I didn't find anything useful for it but spent a lot of time thinking about it so I thought I'd put it out to the thread to let them know where my head was at and even in the post I said "Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative.." <<< I bolded it in the original post. I really didn't know if it game me any info but I wanted to look at it and see if others agreed. I'm going to make a new one with updated info after I finish Shitting on your case on me. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:41 Koshi wrote: Who is poofter his second scummer? WAIT Who is poofter his first scummer now that Steveling is dead? Nobody knows. He is letting it shine through that it is me. Give me 1 post Poofter has quoted from me and said it came from scum for x reason? Nothing. The only thing Poofter is calling me scum for is "Guys I am town, Koshi is scum for being so wrong" That's the only thing. Well are you scum or bad? I however think you happen to be a good player so I'm leaning towards the scum part not the bad part. I think a town Koshi would consider that with how many times he has questioned my posts and how well I've responded that I might be a little town. Instead you assume the opposite and your read is getting stronger. If you're not scum here Koshi town has lost because scum can just sit back and watch me and you fight today and just choose who to lynch. Also what do you mean by the underlined section? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I assume you're going back to who is my 2nd highest scum read where I already tore that argument to bits in my last post, but you worded it weird so I'm not sure. So I will say it now Koshi if you are town YOU ARE UNEQUIVICALLY WRONG Like more wrong than you have ever been. If I am scum who am I with? What did I hope to accomplish by the thrawn/Oats kill? Why was my planned push today (I mean obviously you seem scummy to me for pushing but I'd like to have a better reason than OMGUS so If I'm scum and you know you're town I assume you think you can defend well enough to stop a push from me so who would I go on next? Like What was my plan of attack? Doesn't it make more sense for me to leave my 2nd highest scum read aka Oats alive? Night kills can of course be WIFOM but honestly Koshi walk me through what was my plan? You seem convinced I'm scum and are dead wrong about it and its really annoying because I feel like I have played a town game a town game where I was wrong day 2 pretty bad but still a town game. /end pointless rant | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:51 Koshi wrote: There is so much wrong with his filter but it is hard to proof that it is 100% scum. But his HF townread is typical scum, as scum he can't give good reasoning from this game why (his probably scumbuddy) HF is town so he says: THAT'S IT. Nowhere he will ever question it. Even after Steve flips town poofter is still pushing Oats and me............ HF is like not in this game for Poofter. "Because it looked like that last titanic game" I based my town read off his push on Oats when HF has been town and he was right D1 in titanic he tunnel DP into the ground I thought he was going to play that way this game on Oats he fell off that playstyle and the only reason he stayed in my town was because he agreed with my read on steve someone who is agreeing with my reads and thinking what I'm thinking is more likely to be town with me so he stayed in town. With the steve flip I'm of course revisiting all my reads. HF and Cav still need to claim and I'm DEFINITELY not ruling anyone out today. This is Lylo so if I vote wrong as town we lose because 2 scum just vote and its GG. So Koshi you think that HF is my scum buddy can you make a case on HF? I'd like to read it and reevaluate him. I plan on doing reading myself and research but I have to work this evening so not sure how much time I'll have to be filter diving HF who was literally half the day 1 posts. If you think we're together what connections have you made with us besides that I called him town pretty strongly? I actually agree with one point that you're making that we should be giving 2 scum reads from everyone today and pushing for either because that makes it harder for scum to keep a coherent line of thought. I want to hear more from Cav/Hf (who are apparently gone for today) and their claims before I'm anywhere close to making a decision. Do you think this is a fair thing Koshi? A townie thing? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:42 Koshi wrote: I don't even know what you are saying tbh. Which part quote it I'm more than happy to explain in more detail. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Just defend defend defend. Who are your 2 scummers? And where is the proof? | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:18 Tehpoofter wrote: (Steve was my biggest scum read but still) just for clarification: I meant at the time of the night kill, when steve was already lynched | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:43 Koshi wrote: So many posts. Where are you solving the game? Just defend defend defend. Who are your 2 scummers? And where is the proof? I was responding to your posts accusing me. First you answer me do you think any of my defense was townie or you just going with your assumptions? Right now my number 1 is you Koshi because you're just making accusations without listening to my responses you're using confirmation biasis to either convince yourself I'm scum or push on me to get my lynched. I feel like you're a smarter player than to continue this push from what we've play before I think that is the case and I worry you might be letting something get to you if you're town. Now if you're mafia then everything you're doing makes sense you're pushing on someone who was wrong yesterday and was pushed on by two town people and was the first to push for Steve to get lynched incorrectly. So as mafia your play makes a lot of sense. If you're town it doesn't so you get in the scum pile. Now I'm not going to vote you or talk about voting you until I have all the info I want to hear from Cav/HF see where they stand (unfortunately I think they said they're afk so we might have to wait a bit but I'm okay with that cause I want to make the right decision) I've been trying to solve the game all yesterday and I'm commenting on the pretty much only comments from today. I'm going to look at mdergs post now as I only skimmed it earlier. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:52 mderg wrote: just for clarification: I meant at the time of the night kill, when steve was already lynched Ok so did you think Oats was a scum read of mine from day 2? or only after the night kill? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 04:47 mderg wrote: 1) This would be easier to judge, if I heard him say it, rather than seeing the text. 2) This seems solid. There would be no need to worry about getting lynched, if steve were to flip scum. Yeah, it didn´t seem like he had any clear scumreads besides steve and (after that oats). It´s odd but it could also just be that he didn´t have another clear sumread. I agree his reasoning for calling you scum is unconvincing. Overall there´s solid reasons why poofter could be scum. There´s nothing that makes him scum by itself but the small pieces together paint a scummy picture. 1) The first thing wow that sounds really townie where you said that you would have to hear me say it rather than read it. That screams of objective thinking. That is very true. I do generally talk better than I type (its why I play video mafia more than forum) 2) The time that Oats made that post I thought his push on me was going to be the same regardless of the flip on Steve. The way he said it was "policy" to me read "I don't care we have to lynch steve just because then we go for poofter" so like in my eyes he thinks I'm scum either way. I will however concede that from your point of view you don't know I'm town so it might sound different to you. I don't understand how you can say the bolded green than red. Do I not have any clear scum reads or am I calling Koshi scum for unconvincing reasons. Like as far as I can tell having STeve as scum then Oats and Koshi as scum reads (even if you think they're bad reasons) is still HAVING SCUM READS So explain to me how you come to those conclusions. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:56 Tehpoofter wrote: Ok so did you think Oats was a scum read of mine from day 2? or only after the night kill? It didn´t seem like a clear scum read. It seemed like you thought he was suspicious but no clear scum read. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:13 mderg wrote: It didn´t seem like a clear scum read. It seemed like you thought he was suspicious but no clear scum read. Agreed. I didn't have very clear reads. Feel free to look at my titanic game/Dr. Who where I was town in both Catastrophe i was a role and only played 1 day and intentionally played scummy because of the mechanics. I don't give very STRONG scum reads. I make cases but I play mostly off questions and putting together information based on the outcomes of votes/night kills. The way I talked about Koshi and Oats I thoguht they were scummy. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote: So basically your 3 scumreads were the ones on you. Everybody on Steveling was town. ... I would love for you to answer even ONE of my questions. You keep dodging my questions I ask you and picking out little things in my post to fit your story this is what scum does not what town does. Town reads a post and thinks "hmm okay yeah I do like that point of him being scummy but you know here that sounds town" YOU are not doing this you're not thinking objectively because you're pushing a mislynch as scum. I have been trying to reach out to you to see if you're town but the way you're playing you're either super butthurt town who is game throwing or you're scum. I hope its the later cause I would rather not lose this game. I have been playing this game as town and you have played with me as both alignments and it shocks me that you can't read me correctly. So I understand mderg may not understand my case on you but I am going to re read today and see where I end up on you aside from the stuff on me because I know thats wrong. KOSHI PLEASE ADDRESS ANY OF MY RESPONSES OR ANY OF MY QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF SLINGING MORE MUD! | ||
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