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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:43 GMT
#305
yup
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:53 GMT
#308
Yeh oats just stop typing and roll over. You're attacking me as a player right now instead of what I am typing, I am the only thing you have talked about pretty much ever which is rich when you accused me of focusing on nothing but cav (which never happened). Vivax hardddd defended you by saying what you said was misread or misinformed when you yourself explicitly said it was a lie. Yet, you make no mention of vivax on your return, no mention of anything about anyone.

Have fun.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:54 GMT
#309
On May 06 2014 08:42 Steveling wrote:
Anyone here?


Have your thoughts updated since last time you were around? You've only really talked about cav for posts in a time of joking and koshi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:57 GMT
#311
On May 06 2014 08:54 Steveling wrote:
HF I don't agree with you on the cav-vivax situation.
You said the following is bs

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Cav whyd you choose Steve over Vivax or anyone else?

@Steve what character is Cav?


At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess.


He said he didn't want to vote me to not put me at L-2.
1. It's serious, 2. It provides a serious justification for a non-serious phase, 3. The reason is totally evasive and doesn't say anything about his opinion on me. It reads like an excuse.

That's why I wanna know more about this post.


How so? This is perfectly logical.


We are having a fun time making up bs. Cavalinho is concerned fun could end up bad if he puts vivax close to lynch. It's not serious, it's not evasive in any way shape or form. Why should cava have a read on vivax when vivax posted nothing? There was no scum reads no anything, just jokes. So why did vivax take it as a serious post, why is it evasive and why should cava have a read on 0 posts?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:58 GMT
#313
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.


He quite categorically says you aren't a liar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2014 23:59 GMT
#315
And no, lying to lynch a towny is never fine oats. Especially when your lie was only concerned with one person in the early game where 5/9 people were present and doing the same.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:00 GMT
#316
Oatsmaster revealed he lied after i called him out for it steveling
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:12 GMT
#319
On May 06 2014 09:03 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Oatsmaster revealed he lied after i called him out for it steveling


Yeah obviously, I mean no one else.


how can anyone else call him out if nobody else is around to do it? Don't you think the fact nobody else called him out for it makes it more likely a scummy play than a towny play because he could have gotten away with it unnoticed.

I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.

If you're taking your past experiences as mafia into account then you should absolutely take my past experiences when I say that I have pushed lies and said the exact same logic as oats to appear more towny for doing it numerous times.


Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?user=Holyflare&view=all
On December 08 2013 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno, a lot of people in this game seemed to pick up on "scum tells" that aren't real scum tells. Like misrepresenting someone isn't a tell, it's just being forgetful or misunderstanding sometimes. It's one thing to lie but to lie about something so obviously fact checkable is a thing i don't think scums would ever do.


I was scum. Enjoy your free win and lynch oats now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:26 GMT
#321
On May 06 2014 09:21 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
how can anyone else call him out if nobody else is around to do it? Don't you think the fact nobody else called him out for it makes it more likely a scummy play than a towny play because he could have gotten away with it unnoticed.


That's 100% incorrect.
How would he go unnoticed since you are in the game?

A situation like you described for example, would be my post earlier about gumshoe, gumshoe is not here so I may be lying and get away with it.
But how on earth would Oats get away with it with you here?


That is in fact correct, and why at first I was apprehensive about it:

+ Show Spoiler [read this] +
On May 05 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
and oats can you explain this to me?

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie

On May 05 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
and oats can you explain this to me?

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie

nah it aint broa nd you know it.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually i have no idea how holyflare opens as town. The feeling i get is that he is trying way way way too hard to be funny



So let me get this straight. You made it out to be my town meta that I get "straight down to business" (even though this isn't the case). You then STICK to this by saying what I was doing ISN'T my town meta. THEN you say you have no idea how I open as town and actually it's just a "trying too hard to be funny"?

My question is, why didn't you just say that in the first place? Why did you feel the need to portray this as my non-town meta when you actually had a reason in the first place?

On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

On May 06 2014 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.



how can you NOT understand the point i'm raising

if you are town WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW IT'S CORRECT


##unbote
##Bote: Oatsmaster


but like I said,
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:28 GMT
#322
To elaborate, it's not specifically about the lie (although that does play a big part in it) it's his motives and actions all through the game after that and his responses. The reason he had to lie, the way he criticises me rather than my posts, the fact he's pointed out that i focused on 1 thing (which I hadn't) but is guilty of worse. It doesn't strike me as someone who is unsure of people's alignments.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:34 GMT
#325
On May 06 2014 09:32 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.


Well it's funny you saying this because you are the one who voted for him right after he jumped on you.
You are the one pushing more, oats haven't voted yet.


On May 05 2014 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
What the fuck holyflare.
##vote holyflare
why even sign up if you arent going to bother


it's his second post of the game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:35 GMT
#329
I'm not super sure, I just have a good reason to think you are scum because the ONLY thing you have done is pushed me this game whereas I have >1/3 of this games posts trying to get to the bottom of people's alignments and motives.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:36 GMT
#331
On May 06 2014 09:34 Steveling wrote:
You know guys, there's a chance both of you are town and scum is laughing in their qt atm.

Can you back up and look at other people?


I hope you are joking because this implies you haven't read anything I've actually written at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:37 GMT
#332
On May 06 2014 09:35 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:32 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.


Well it's funny you saying this because you are the one who voted for him right after he jumped on you.
You are the one pushing more, oats haven't voted yet.


On May 05 2014 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
What the fuck holyflare.
##vote holyflare
why even sign up if you arent going to bother


it's his second post of the game


LOL this is a complete twist and turn, you know the reasons he did this and that it was a joke vote. LOL
You are trying to make it seem like he voted for you after your debate, LOLOLOL.


No I'm not? This wasn't during the "joking" time at all. I just assumed his vote was on me at this point and couldn't re-vote me because why else would you write ##vote unless you were voting someone?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:41 GMT
#333
On May 06 2014 09:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im criticizing you because its been an ongoing recurrence out of game where you are horrible. Im guessing its not the case this game though.


please explain this?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:46 GMT
#335
So oats you're saying that you're only criticising/pushing me this game because of an "ongoing recurrence where I'm horrible?!?!?!?!" (I don't even interact with people here lol?)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#337
nah i'd like to know
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#338
+ it's game relevant
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:50 GMT
#341
On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve?


Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched.
People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot.

Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm.


why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 06 2014 00:52 GMT
#343
On May 06 2014 09:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
No, thats why im not attacking your play, but rather you.
Anyway, how do you say that scum dont probe and push but just straightout accuse people when you have done it as town before, namely dp in that game before this.


the only person I've ever been "horrible" to is DP so I assume you mean that and which game before this? Titanic? or the one on OMGUS? Titanic I started out as trolling and realised he had 8 pages of contentless filter which is a massive scum tell and was backtracking on everything and was not inquisitive like I stated multiple times with meta instances and proof, OMGUS was because I was trolling.
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