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On May 08 2014 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think marv will suggest the same thing im going to suggest, you need to shoot a massive lurker as we don't care what their alignment is. Caller not flipping is a terrible idea
The bolded describes Caller pretty well. Who do you think fits that bill better than him and why? Why is Caller not flipping terrible - what information do we gain from his flip?
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On May 08 2014 20:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meh.
Not scum but lost my will to live in this game really. I think the only thing keeping me going would be to keep my mislynch stat low because I already assume this is a win for scum.
If you guys think Palmar is capable of catching me out completely based on one post as scum then by all means. I'm gone all day and am show up sporadically if something interests me. This game was much less stressful and annoying when I didn't care about it. Now I know why everyone else does the same!
Your mindset is serously annoying me right now. We mislynched after 2 consecutive scum lynches. So what? We have quite a few townie looking people. Why is this a win for scum?
Man up and just play the damn game, dude.
On May 08 2014 22:21 Caller wrote:
i say we massclaim at this point, since we're clearly out of night protection and mafia are just going to shoot confirmed town anyways (read: alakaslam). i refuse to believe that town has only one cop, a bunch of idiot day shooters, some martyrs, and a useless fucking fake nuke, while mafia has (so far) a day vig and a mason mafia.
do we not have a coroner? do we not have a jailer? has jailer been constantly jailing somebody, thus denying mafia kp? Seriously, let's go.
What the fuck do we gain by massclaiming? I mean apart from making it easier for scum to choose their kills obviously.
@marv: The thing is - do you see a reason for caller to be town? I mean I am not dead set on shooting him over people like VE or gumshoe but he was on like every wrong wagon and useless besides that. Also, I don't really see why people think VA is town and I won't sheep a day1 read from Koshi who was very wrong on many things this game.
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Ok, your opinion is noted and understood.
I share the feeling about gumshoe but you must keep in mind that BH was potentially not on the scumteam since he was the traitor so associative tells kinda suck here.
Who do we lynch today?
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On May 09 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
"Note and understand" my opinion all you like, but if you shoot anyone not-Ace, I will have extremely bad feelings about you, as there is zero reason to shoot outside of Ace.
Relax. I admit that it seems like the objectively correct shot.
I am just hesitating because I really don't want to shoot town and I have no read whatsoever on Ace. I have a really hard time believing the guy who wrote the mafia manifesto etc. plays this way as scum. Does he? I never played with Ace but I heard his townplay is average and his scumplay really good.
Ace, you have ~30 hours to do towny stuff.
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On May 09 2014 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually if marv actually thinks I'm scum then
##Vote: marvelosity
EZ game EZ life.
You know you are going to be lynched if that's everything you got, right?
On May 09 2014 03:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 01:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Ace, you have ~30 hours to do towny stuff. yall dont wanna lynch Caller? pffft btw what is "towny" stuff?
Surprise me!
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Wow, stuff happened O_O
On May 09 2014 09:32 Tehpoofter wrote:Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS? @slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this?
Scum WoS could feel the need to start playing when his team starts losing, right? Seems pretty logical to me. So if WoS is town his spiked activity is not the reason in my opinion.
Marvs scumgame is really good. There are people who disagree but I tell you it is frightening. He is perfectly able to post what he did as scum.
On May 09 2014 10:11 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 09:58 marvellosity wrote:On May 09 2014 09:50 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 09 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
also poofter, dunno what drugs you're smoking but prplhz was mega town. He had opinions and pushed stuff and said stuff. That alone makes prp 99% town. You should check out his scumgames. The good kind of course. The part that stuck out to me was his push on Foolishness the day that Ceph came out. I just can't understand how that is townie. Austin seemed to think so too so maybe I'm just missing it but he seemed to not care at all like he already knew the info. Can you explain why that push was townie? He also was tunneling Foolish the day Oats got lynched. Thats my hold up with him/you because your posts have all seemed townie but he was off to me. I haven't seen his or your scum games though so I can speak to neither and people talk about you being really good so if he was playing bad scum you could be playing good scum. Also What do you make of Ace's interaction with Palmer? and Caller's "everyone mass claim"? I wish we could shoot both of them tbh. I feel like Ace is trying to buddy Palmer after pushing him for days and Caller says not a lot for the whole game then says "hey can a bunch of roles out that would be nice" Can some of the quite people please seem town you can't all be scum? Thanks 3rd. Ok I'm only going to reply to this once, because it's a waste of my posts that I'm totally not wasting on other things like popcorns. The push on Foolish when Ceph had his claims is practically the towniest thing in his entire filter (other than said generic reasons which i mentioned) and it makes me sad that you don't understand why. Again with the background, prplhz = lurky, useless, does nothing scumplayer (to be fair, he does it as town also, but always as mafia)... anyway prplhz wanting to lynch Fool in general is just a read, lots of people wanted to lynch Foolish. Wanting to lynch Foolish on the day of the cop checks, well that's just unbelievably townie. There is literally zero chance a player like prplhz would stick his neck out and quite forcefully and repeatedly say we should be lynching Foolishness when there's a cop check. He would (and almost any mafia would) want to lynch into the cop claims. Because town is 100% going to lynch into the cop claims, so you're just drawing attention to yourself. You're suggesting a mafia prplhz, known for his passiveness (you don't need to know this), vehemently suggests lynching a town Foolishness in a situation where Foolishness can't possibly get lynched, in order to look terrible later when Fool flips town. It's ludicrous and you should be able to see why this is ludicrous. Engage yo brain. I think I've made it quite clear what i make of Ace. Caller's "mass claim" is silly, and not in any particular way, although I'd lean slightly town from it maybe, for the simple reason towns never massclaim when some random dude with no influence goes "let's all claim", while on the other hand it's a guarantee when some dude does that that at least one person in town goes "wow what a terrible, scummy idea". Effectively there's no upside to a mafia with no thread influence suggesting a massclaim because town will not do it and he will look weird for not doing it. The flipside (and why it's not a strong townlean for that) is that a mafia can just say "yolo let's suggest this" Mostly @poofter here. This was basically my reasoning when I called prplhz super townie. Foolishness was more worried about prplhz, just not sure what to make of him and kinda scummy, I was very very townie because sticking neck out and aiming AWAY from the cop checks (when you can just kill the townie and waste time) read very town to me. i THINK that BH being traitor negates this. The rest of prplhz's filter is still valuable and we need to look at it hard, but the voting Foolishness stuff is meh because if scum trusted the check, they knew that EITHER slam or BH was traitor. Scum wanting to lynch outside a town/scum check doesn't make sense to me, because they can push for a 1:1 lynch, at least try and swing things that way. But scum don't want to lynch the traitor. If they haven't tried to recruit, cephiro's check says TO TOWN "one of these guys is scum." TO MAFIA, it says "one of these guys is the traitor." Mafia has, at worst, a 50/50 shot now at recruitment, instead of having to pick the traitor out of everyone. Just waiting even one day lets them try to recruit and be at full strength. I can totally understand mafia wanting to lynch outside the cop check IF the cop checks the traitor. I thought it was super townie because I thought the cop check had found a full-fledged mafia. Marv is arguing the same thing now, and while "scum prplhz dislikes sticking his neck out" is possibly a valid point, "scum would want to lynch into the cop check" is not.
Exactly. Austin still #1 town.
On May 09 2014 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry Austin. I trust marv more than you and will be sheeping him today. Even if Palmar convinces him to vote me.
The stars have really aligned in this game--- for once I actually have a strong town read on marv I have no reason to doubt AND I don't feel guilty or stupid sheeping him because all sorts of meh.
Maybe I will care more sometime tomorrow before deadline.
##vote: visceraeyes
I don't like this. I think townreading marv is not scummy but townreading him over austin makes no sense in the slightest.
On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 12:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin I posted it in one of other posts but can you link me to some of the townie posts you have for VE that are from the thread and not the QT. I feel like a lot of your argument is from things happening in the QT and not things in the thread.
@VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy?
6 posts 2 given Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh?
You are not confirmed town and you are not "like confirmed town" either. You should stop defending yourself this way. It might work in video mafia but not in forum mafia. Just because someone is suspicious of you that does in no way mean he has to be scum.
On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Jat where you at man? What do you think about hte VE/Marv/WoS thing going on, I feel like there is at least one mafia in there (probably not WoS) or a scum team of like some combination of Ace/Caller/VA/gum is just sitting back and laughing today and coasting to an easy victory.
There could very well be mafia in there but I don't know who it is. Marv looks decent although I don't really understand why he is fighting with austin that hard. VE is not impressing in the thread but I have no access to the qt. Confirmed town Foolishness thought he is town and very very very likely town austin thinks so too. That makes me not want to lynch him. WoS just gets weirder and weirder today.
On May 09 2014 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I don't 100% agree marv. While I don't mind lynching VE, there is a chance this is his towngame. But I think lynching him over and over again for playing like this is fine anyway.
I like this. But I also like winning.
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If someone wants to be a townhero - donate marv posts. We need him to post more regardless of his alignment. Marv, if you should get some be more careful. I know it is hard to be that restricted in playstyle and it sucks but believe me not being able to posts later on is more annoying then holding back a bit earlier.
Austin, you rambled on about all those other question marks. What about Ace?
Ace, your time is slowly running out. You did some things (good) but it is not enough.
I will keep holding back most of my opinions for a few more hours for specific reasons (and because I have to travel) just so you know.
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On May 10 2014 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I would actually laugh if we lynched marv today. I certainly won't contribute to it 'cause dude's obvs townmarv but whateva. Sorry buddeh but it would be pretty hilarious.
I think I seriously wouldn't mind just lynching the shoe tonight. I think its high time for me to be wrong about him again.
You are soooo helpful. I am starting to think Palmar might be right.
On May 10 2014 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I would actually laugh if we lynched marv today. I certainly won't contribute to it 'cause dude's obvs townmarv but whateva. Sorry buddeh but it would be pretty hilarious.
I think I seriously wouldn't mind just lynching the shoe tonight. I think its high time for me to be wrong about him again. Like, gumshoe is a pure lurker lynch. Pure policy. I mean, that's fine guys, but call it what it is, don't dress it up like you think he's mafia. I mean, I guess there are little things that point to him being mafia - like how he actually does make it in to make sure he's not modkilled and stuff, but that's kinda meta and whatever. The main problem with gumshoe is that he's simply not playing. Just call it what it is.
This is true.
On May 10 2014 04:19 marvellosity wrote:
Important Lynch List you must follow when I Die
Dead players
Alive players
Misc.
Stop it. Just ignore the trolls and play your game if you are town, please.
I am not a fan of this marv wagon right now. All the unknowns immediately jumped on it, nobody seems to be against it. That is not a good sign.
Austin, you are telling us marv is scummy. Why? Is it just because of his VE push?
Palmar, why are you voting marv if you would rather lynch WoS or Poofter?
I am - like austin - of the opinion that it is time to reduce the ?s today. I will not be lynching VE for stated reasons - that leaves caller, ace and gumshoe. I would be down to something like praying for a gumshoe modkill (seriously the mods have to take action eventually...) while lynching/shooting the other 2.
Opinions?
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We won't lynch marv the day he replaced in if the case against him consists of: he attacked VE.
Seriously guys.
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On May 10 2014 05:17 marvellosity wrote:
jat, stfu if you won't just fucking shoot Ace. Christ.
What the hell are you talking about? I will shoot someone (very possibly Ace) in 1-2 hours don't worry about that.
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On May 10 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
why on earth would I vote gumshoe when there are plenty of actual good scum candidates? what kind of question is that?
We could lynch Ace instead you know. The reason you gave me for shooting him was that there were no ties whatsoever to anyone. There is now, to you. It seems very unlikely that you are both scum so from my perspective it would not be optimal to shoot him right now if those idiots really push your lynch through. We could on the other hand just lynch him and if he flips scum you look really good.
Lynching caller would give us no information at all but he still needs to die sooner rather than later. Why not shoot him?
I will shoot one of those 2 in ~ 1 hour. That's for sure.
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On May 10 2014 07:15 austinmcc wrote:
It's too late in day to argue shot target, still be playing marv/ve games.
Need 2-3 targets max, agreed upon, that you can actually get a majority for. I think gumshoe, maybe a caller or palmar or botg. Also, if you're going to shoot someone you should do it now or earlier. The posturing is meh, akd people seem to mainly talk AFTER shots, so some of whatever vali3 exists in shooting is lost.
In a game with one scum kp though i atill don't like shooting. We get no flip, and any mis-shot is a whole cycle scum don't have to survive, sorta
But we will never get rid of those people if I don't shoot. Give me your opinion NOW and I will make it quick.
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Ok, I made my decision. I will be shooting Caller. If anyone has any strong reason for not doing that he has the next few minutes to state it then this lazy fucker dies.
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Ace is at least contributing something recently. Caller isn't. Caller was on the wrong wagons all the time. Oats defended him. He has done nothing towny. Foolishness wanted him dead, austin wants him dead and marv has him as secondary scumread (kinda) - it makes sense to kill him regardless of marvs alignment.
If we lynch marv or Ace at some point it WILL give us information. Lynching Caller won't tell us anything really.
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This game is giving me a headache. Fuck all those scummy vets... I am taking a break.
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On May 10 2014 08:12 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: gumshoe
Again, will try and check back before deadline but unsre on sobriety and ability to operate phone.
I want to let marv/vw simmer a bit but everyone should talk about it imo
Wtf... we need a majority in 3 hours and you want to let it simmer a bit?
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I agree that gumshoe is not the lynch. I really hope he just gets modkilled. Yeah, marv is running out of posts if I counted it correctly he was 2 posts over his limit before you donated so he should have 1 left now. You can count yourself if you look into his filter (3 posts were made in the night).
If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2
Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there.
Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe?
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On May 10 2014 09:42 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Jat what do you think of Palmer and Ace's play today? I have to think they're doing something weird the only real unease I have about the Marv lynch is that they're both on it. Do you think there is a mafia in there between Palmer and Ace if so who? Also I don't see your vote on the vote count list... have you voted? What do you make of WoS/Austin sitting on the modkillable gumshoe instead of someone actually playing like this is my town people in austin and WoS so I don't think its a scummy thing I just think its the wrong play.
11 posts 5 given.
I had a slight townread on Palmar for ages now. So I would say if there is one town between them it's him. He has fooled me hard before though. No, I have not voted yet but I am toying with a vote on Ace right now.
Austin and Wos aren't being helpful right now. Austin is town though, WoS unsure.
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On May 10 2014 09:49 Palmar wrote:
##unvote
##vote thepoofter
Come on. Tell us why. We need 6 votes on someone soon (you are spreading the votes even more right now) and if you want to lynch him you will need to convince people. This is really badly looking like a nolynch right now and we must not no lynch.
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