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Ok, some thoughts:
Since BH was the traitor there is still a small chance that Cephiro is mafia, correct? I don't think it's likely but people should not forget this if Cephiro is alive at LYLO or something like that. I think he is town and so is slam.
On May 04 2014 14:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Palmar scum
On May 04 2014 16:40 Alakaslam wrote:
So is VE.
On May 04 2014 16:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Ace might be. He should explain
Slam, you are in the nice position of almost confirmed town. Everybody will listen to you even if they didn't do so before. It would really be appreciated if you could go into a little more detail with those reads.
Foolishness is correct when he says BHs reads don't tell us anything really (if we assume he wasn't recruited). But there is one read that DOES.
What would you guys do as a mason recruiter/traitor? You would mason a scumread so that you can be recruited if you are correct and work things out in the qt. This also explains why nobody wants to give any information about it. It also makes sense that BH defends Foolishness hardcore this way even if Foolishness did not trust him. It explains why Foolishness could "bus" him day3 and it explains why there are 2 scum in a qt in the first place.
We should lynch Foolishness day4.
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On May 04 2014 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 14:12 Hapahauli wrote:
There will be no indication given as to whether or not the Traitor joined the mafia.
Also some clarifications about Blazinghand's role in response to some questions asked to me (in the spirit of a semi-open setup):
1) He was a Recruiting Mason + a Traitor. He has no powers outside of those roles (i.e., he cannot recruit people to the mafia team.)
2) The traitor *always* returns red to detective checks.
3) It will not be revealed as to if he can join the mafia team, nor the hypothetical conditions required for the Traitor to join the mafia team. Yup. Makes sense to me and I figured as such. Nobody who voted BH is cleared today. Except me 'cause I pushed him yesterday :D :D :D
And how exactly does that make you town? As scum you would not know that you are pushing the traitor. Whereas mafia could be pretty sure that either slam or BH was traitor yesterday.
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Why are you idiots questioning my vig claim? Austin YOU wanted me to hold my shot. If you want prove I will shoot tomorrow. Either Foolishness (if we don't lynch him - we should!) or some other scummy fuck like poofter/Vayne maybe.
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WoS, why do you assume this is a frame attempt? Isn't it far more likely that he protected the right person? And yeah look Foolishness lynch target just flipped town...
On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote:
Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of:
JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason!
Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z.
JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted!
This is just blatant lying.
I have to wonder Foolishness. Why do you assume that people in a TRAITOR RECRUITED QT are all town? Seems pretty far fetched to me, especially since the townier people like austin, WoS, prplhz, Cephiro, me do not seem to be a part of it.
On May 05 2014 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
People who wanted to straight up lynch Foolishness instead of BH/slam seem unlikely to be mafia, given that mafia could essentially guarantee 2 mislynches, or at very least 1 mislynch and 1 traitor kill (they know neither BH/slam is mafia mafia, just let town lynch one and then the other). It seems like too big an opportunity for scum to pass up at all. You can split yourselves on BH/slam if you're worried about all being on one side, but KNOWING that neither is mafia mafia means FREE MISLYNCHES to the mafia team. I don't see mafia passing up FREE MISLYNCHES in order to try and push Foolishness. Super especially if Fool is mafia, then prplhz is 200000% cleared (Hi there, I'd like to lynch this dude, who is mafia, instead of FREE MISLYNCHES).
This is bad logic in my opinion. I don't disagree with the prplhz townread but your reasoning for that is awful. You assume that scum really thought Cephiro had to be the traitor which is a bold assumption. If they didn't then trying to lynch outside the checks is a really mafia oriented play. Of course prplhz is likely town if Foolishness is scum but that's also the case without this reasoning.
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On May 05 2014 12:23 prplhz wrote:
omfg don't shoot ace
I don't think I will. No worries.
##Vote: Foolishness
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On May 05 2014 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)? Your move.
How did I not notice this before. Foolishness asking Cephiro for information about traitor when mafia knows traitor is between his checks and him. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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The question is not if the qt exists... why would we not lynch Foolishness just because someone comes out and says he was talking with him?
And yes, my guess would also be VE because of stuff BH said.
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And if VE/whoever is in there and there is substantial evidence that BH and Foolishness were discussing things in a way that suggests that BH genuinely read him town/Foolishness is not scum then it is HORRENDOUS play to refuse to bring it to the thread. I generally see no reason at all to be that secretive about it in the first place. What does scum gain from knowing who is in the qt? Nothing as long as you don't come out with roles or similar shit.
Besides that - like I already said - is there anyone who really thinks a traitor would try to make an all town qt? Seriously?
I am warning you right now. Foolishness is getting lynched today and if he is not because some cowards don't have the balls do to so then I will straight up shoot him.
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On May 06 2014 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
No, JAT, you won't.
We absolutely need him to flip---i get that you're all gungho on Foolishness scum and have rammed it down our throats all game, but for somebody who has withheld his shot so long and doesn't even want to eliminate people who don't vote and don't bother playing the game and are thus inconsequential, it disturbs me that you'd think shooting him is a good idea.
Yes, I absolutely will.
If you want his flip you will have to lynch him with me today. Scum will never shoot him (because he is scum but they also wouldn't if he wasn't). Funny that you are saying we absolutely need his flip while voting a different guy. The way to have him flip is to fucking lynch him.
I would have shot day2 but austin didn't want me to. Now I see some people who don't bother (Ace, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, VE) but none of them strikes me as really scummy and I want to shoot scum if possible. So if you want me to shoot one of them give me a good reasoning for it and vote Foolishness and we can maybe work something out. I would love to shoot VA but he basically hardclaimed hero by now so I won't.
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On May 06 2014 02:41 Alakaslam wrote:
JaT when pholks shuts the ears and sing "lalala can't hear you" I sing back "scumscumscum I won't hear you"
You know?
That's nice! Maybe you should start a choir!
I want some info about this qt now. There is literally no reason to not give town information. Foolishness, do you think the people in the qt will get shot just for being in the qt? The "town circle" (lol)? While we have 2 confirmed townies AND austin running around? It seems like mafia has only 1 KP - they would need 3 (!) nights of successful shots before even considering shooting some poor dude for being in your awesome qt.
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lol, Foolishness wants to lynch RoL for days and there is nothing about that in there? No insight? No case? Nothing good on anyone else? This guy is mafia and we lynch him today. Seriously what is this?!
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On May 06 2014 04:01 Alakaslam wrote:
JAT dude the qt probably contains the martyrs or some other sensitive info. Back off on that.
Foolishness is town.
I have no idea why you think there would be more martyrs or why that would be in the qt. And I have SERIOUSLY no idea why you think what austin posted makes Foolishness town. Look, I trust austin so I will work with what he gave us and shut up about the qt. Fact is - there is obviously nothing in there that makes Foolishness town. Look at Catastrophe or Shadow game and pay attention to the cases Foolishness gives in those game. How much work, point of view explanation and detail is in there. How correct he was about many things in both games day1.
Then look at this game.
Then put your vote where it fucking belongs.
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So, I went through Foolishness' filter again. I still don't like it and things like this just make no fucking sense:
On April 30 2014 19:42 Foolishness wrote:
We must be playing a different game JAT. Because I could have sworn you said you wanted to kill Oats (probably a good idea) and yet are voting me for my correct analysis about what happened day 1 (clearly a bad idea).
He is contradicting himself in 1 (!) sentence. Good job.
He is not trying to defend himself by contributing something and instead just tries to ridicule the accusations against him by misrepresenting them in the process like he does here for example:
On May 02 2014 11:28 Foolishness wrote:
"Foolishness is scum! He pushed a mislynch day 1 and is pushing a mislynch on day 2!"
*Oatsmaster flips mafia*
"Foolishness is scum! He clearly bussed his own teammate with his scumbuddy blazinghand!"
He isn't trying to convince me that he is town by working with me ALTHOUGH HE SAYS I AM TOWN - he is just hoping that everyone will ignore me since I am so hellbent on killing him.
He has not made a single genuine, insightful case or even post all game. He went after RoL (town) for days now until scum shot him (almost certainly unintentionally) without making a real case on him after his terrible day1 case on SnB (town). It seems like he didn't discuss his TOP SCUMREAD RoL in the qt at all. He is going for lurkers above all else.
Foolishness if you are town I expect from you that you do a new analysis of how the day1 lynch went down now that we know some key alignments (oats, BH, RoL...). Day2 would also be good (I don't think there is much to gain by analysing the day3 lynch). If you don't come up with good contributions today you will die one way or the other.
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On May 06 2014 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's see here.
Austin, I suppose if you were trying to trap those who have been tunneling Foolishness or something, alright, but what have you got to show for waiting and wasting my time? I don't really appreciate you not setting me straight. I mean I appreciate the QT info, but you really just had to say you were in there. (Now of course this could be one epic as fuck scumplay from you---if anybody could do it, it would be you but I think at this point I'd be willing to lose to you if you pulled something like this and essentially faked an entire QT or something.)
Can we talk a little plz? Who do you want lynched today, and why?
Now Foolishness I'd appreciate the answering of a few questions if possible.
1) Like JAT says, there are a few cruicial reads missing---where are your reads on me/RoL from that QT considering you were attempting to push us to some degree D1?
2) What from the information that Austin released was so absolutely crucial to your 'circle' that you couldn't release any of it?
Unrelated---I'm wondering now if one of the original shots wasn't on scum. If there has been a successful protect the past couple nights I can't imagine they had two shots (unless they had only 1 KP from the start I guess...).
I still want Poofter lynched right now, and until somebody offers me something better he is who I will be pushing.
3) This isn't a question but can you do something today so I can feel justified in not lynching you beyond the stuff Austin said?
I just gave you something better. And no, the stuff austin said should not make you feel better about not lynching Foolishness.
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On May 06 2014 10:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 10:18 austinmcc wrote:On May 06 2014 10:13 Ace wrote:
Lynch Palmar In addition to Foolishness? As opposed to Foolishness? Correct me if I'm way off here but is there any reason Foolishness is Scum that has anything to do with not being related to a QT? I've skimmed this thread and that's one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever. BH was scum, so Foolishness was in a QT with him = Foolishness scum?
It's nice that you are actually in the thread posting but maybe you should read the thread and not skim? That's absolutely not why Foolishness is going to get lynched.
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On May 06 2014 10:25 Ace wrote:
Tell me why he's getting lynched then ( I don't have time to read everything)
Take a look into my filter or maybe you are lucky and austin makes a summary for you. My time is really limited until tomorrow evening.
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On May 06 2014 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:But JaT. You had this post where you said he contradicted himself Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:So, I went through Foolishness' filter again. I still don't like it and things like this just make no fucking sense: On April 30 2014 19:42 Foolishness wrote:
We must be playing a different game JAT. Because I could have sworn you said you wanted to kill Oats (probably a good idea) and yet are voting me for my correct analysis about what happened day 1 (clearly a bad idea).
He is contradicting himself in 1 (!) sentence. Good job. He is not trying to defend himself by contributing something and instead just tries to ridicule the accusations against him by misrepresenting them in the process like he does here for example: On May 02 2014 11:28 Foolishness wrote:
"Foolishness is scum! He pushed a mislynch day 1 and is pushing a mislynch on day 2!"
*Oatsmaster flips mafia*
"Foolishness is scum! He clearly bussed his own teammate with his scumbuddy blazinghand!"
He isn't trying to convince me that he is town by working with me ALTHOUGH HE SAYS I AM TOWN - he is just hoping that everyone will ignore me since I am so hellbent on killing him. He has not made a single genuine, insightful case or even post all game. He went after RoL (town) for days now until scum shot him (almost certainly unintentionally) without making a real case on him after his terrible day1 case on SnB (town). It seems like he didn't discuss his TOP SCUMREAD RoL in the qt at all. He is going for lurkers above all else. Foolishness if you are town I expect from you that you do a new analysis of how the day1 lynch went down now that we know some key alignments (oats, BH, RoL...). Day2 would also be good (I don't think there is much to gain by analysing the day3 lynch). If you don't come up with good contributions today you will die one way or the other. Here, but the statement you made red has nothing to do with what you say it says
Yes, it does because in the post in question his day1 analysis was that the day1 lynch was town driven and mafia sat back which doesn't go together with a scumread on the second wagon oatsmaster.
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On May 06 2014 13:24 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:12 Ace wrote:
Foolishness can answer that when he gets back. If not or the answer is trash I'll vote him tomorrow. Not gonna filter dive when there are basketball games to watch. What am I answering? It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list.
Yaaaaaaawn.
The very existence of this ignore list with townreads on it is questionable.
On May 06 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 13:36 Foolishness wrote:
Really you guys are making mountains out of molehills, and letting mafia sit back and do nothing (again). Why not kill the people that aren't contributing to the town and are clearly apathetic? I've already spent posts responding to JAT and WoS and I'm not going to waste time or take up space beating a dead horse by arguing them. You can look through my filter to see what I've said. If someone else has a big point that needs answering then say so and quote it and I'll respond (like Ace just did now). If you're town, you'll be confirmed after your lynch. Instead of focusing on arguing with people, how about you focus on leaving the best information you possibly can after your death. It has the additional benefit of being the best way of getting out of being lynched, because if you write enough about people, both quality and quantity, you might just not get lynched.
Exactly this.
@Ace: I like your style (confident, decisive, arrogant) but just because you say something isn't scummy doesn't mean that's true. If you think Palmar is a better lynch why don't you give us a good case on him?
If/when Foolishness flips scum I will look at you funny.
afk for ~ 7 hours.
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Finally done with this shitty exam. AUSTIN STOP HAUNTING ME!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Model_1
Poofter, austin already asked you this but I would like you to explain why the qt stuff makes you think Foolishness is being towny (this is not the first time that you defended him without a good reasoning and it does not sit well with me). Same to WoS. I honestly don't see it at all.
I hope prplhz isn't modkilled 
Based Palmar, stop being reasonable. I might start to think you care about this game and retract my townread on you!
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I will go to bed in 1-2 hours. I expect you guys to get this lynch done (I am looking at austin here). Foolishness is just rolling over it seems. WoS get on the wagon already.
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