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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 12 2014 12:07 GMT
#77
/in

Last time I played, I called out 2/3 scumbags at the end of day 2. Let's see if I lost my sharpness or not.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 12 2014 12:10 GMT
#78
EBWOP: OMG I have to remember not to edit.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 14 2014 06:44 GMT
#103
Do we get role PMs before or after Day 1 starts?
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 08:52 GMT
#143
Hey Koshi, I'm here and I'm not deprived of sleep. Let's talk.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 08:57 GMT
#144
EBWOP: By the way, OmniEulogy not being interested in if Koshi was town or not can be reasoned by either him knowing his role or he's way too hungry and tired to think about it. Either way, I'm pretty interested about what he will pull out.

On April 15 2014 17:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm eating my breakfast man, can't start scum hunting before a good nutritious and balanced meal entirely composed of poptarts and eggo waffles. That being said of course I'm interested if you also have the spirit of the great maximus black and nova war instilled in you.

He's claiming that he has the spirit of the great maximus black and novawar instilled in himself.

I don't think so. This is fucking Mafia by the way. It's not about stopping cheesers or some weird shit. It's Hunter the Reckoning style.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:12 GMT
#171
On April 15 2014 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 17:57 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: By the way, OmniEulogy not being interested in if Koshi was town or not can be reasoned by either him knowing his role or he's way too hungry and tired to think about it. Either way, I'm pretty interested about what he will pull out.

On April 15 2014 17:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm eating my breakfast man, can't start scum hunting before a good nutritious and balanced meal entirely composed of poptarts and eggo waffles. That being said of course I'm interested if you also have the spirit of the great maximus black and nova war instilled in you.

He's claiming that he has the spirit of the great maximus black and novawar instilled in himself.

I don't think so. This is fucking Mafia by the way. It's not about stopping cheesers or some weird shit. It's Hunter the Reckoning style.


are you robik

WTF is a robik?

On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?

It definitely is a scumslip.

On April 15 2014 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 18:38 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. It will come to you.


OmniEulogy
How are you doing buddy?


I'm pretty good losing at video games but enjoying it. how's your morning been

How do you discribe your scum play and your town play?

Good point. Can everyone tell his town play and scum play?
I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first).
My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.

I think the game was Normal Mini Mafia XIII (The game had marvellosity, Chezinu and talismania as scum; Palmar, VisceraEyes, me, Shady Sands and some other people I don't remember as town. I called Chezinu and talismania right at the end of day 2, I could call out marvellosity but I tunnel visioned and lost my sharpness day 4.).

If you dare to investigate any further, you will find that I'm telling you the truth.

On April 15 2014 19:18 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 18:49 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:38 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. It will come to you.


OmniEulogy
How are you doing buddy?


I'm pretty good losing at video games but enjoying it. how's your morning been

How do you discribe your scum play and your town play?


passive and spammy respectively lol

If your scum play is passive and town play is spammy, then I can pretty much say that you're a scumbag who is trying to masquerade amongst the town folk. This will not get you out of your gehenna though. Come on, vampires who break masquerade are eliminated even by other vampires. The only reason you're living right now is because there was no lynch-night kill.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:22 GMT
#174
On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

And I see no reason to think YOU are a townie.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:23 GMT
#175
EBWOP: Skanjab just flipped scum I guess. Just like OmniEulogy. Same slip, twice in a row.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:28 GMT
#177
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:31 GMT
#179
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:33 GMT
#181
EBWOP: I just told all the scumbags how I would hunt them down.

+ Show Spoiler +
LIMB BY LIMB
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 11:58 GMT
#184
On April 15 2014 20:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?

I actually AM doing something productive for town. Luring people into a sophisticated discussion, trying to make the game a high-post game instead of a low-post one that would be good for scumbags.

You can't say it didn't work, can you? Especially considering the fact that you jumped right in.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 12:11 GMT
#187
On April 15 2014 21:06 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 20:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?

I actually AM doing something productive for town. Luring people into a sophisticated discussion, trying to make the game a high-post game instead of a low-post one that would be good for scumbags.

You can't say it didn't work, can you? Especially considering the fact that you jumped right in.


what? didn't you just join on Koshi's discussion? And then I really want to make people realize you tried to make an association case on Skan for his second post... yeah... you're totally up for sophisticated discussion as long as it involves shutting down everybody with an opinion that doesn't match yours by labeling them scum immediately =/
I'm not against the method I'm against how you do it.

"I label people whose opinions don't match me as scum, right on" so you say. And you're not against the method and you're against how I do it.

First of all, what do you think the method is? If you answer the question correct, then I'll ask you a second question.

Scum slips are sometimes so simple as a "100%". Shit like this happened in one of the games, guy turned out as scum. Guy took 4 townies all by himself before they actually realized.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 12:34 GMT
#193
On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

Claiming that someone is townie through and through and showing no reason about that claim and dodging every single question about his reasoning almost never is coming from scum? He might or might not be a townie, but his behaviors just don't help town at all.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 12:36 GMT
#196
On April 15 2014 21:06 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 20:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?

I actually AM doing something productive for town. Luring people into a sophisticated discussion, trying to make the game a high-post game instead of a low-post one that would be good for scumbags.

You can't say it didn't work, can you? Especially considering the fact that you jumped right in.


what? didn't you just join on Koshi's discussion? And then I really want to make people realize you tried to make an association case on Skan for his second post... yeah... you're totally up for sophisticated discussion as long as it involves shutting down everybody with an opinion that doesn't match yours by labeling them scum immediately =/
I'm not against the method I'm against how you do it.

EBWOP: If Koshi tries to do shit that benefits town, of course I will join on Koshi's discussion. If it was you instead of Koshi, I would join on your discussion instead of Koshi's.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 13:38 GMT
#220
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

Show nested quote +
My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 14:18 GMT
#221
On April 15 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Or super duper townreads?

I read town on OneThousandWords
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 15:22 GMT
#229
On April 15 2014 23:59 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.

Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.

Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.

What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town.


I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far
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On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

Show nested quote +
My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.


I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.


Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.

Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n.
You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him.

The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking.

On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB
But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.


This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through.

I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.

Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that.


No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.



I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but

"I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)."

I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it.

1- Did you play any mafia game as a scum?
2- If your answer to the 1st question is no, can you tell me how you define your scum meta?
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 15:30 GMT
#230
EBWOP: As I have never played a single game as a scum, I can't define my scum play. I would probably just play survival until having enough numbers. To explain this in one word: Masquerade.

Talking about my own self-meta: I'm still as systematic, calm and careful as I described. I just didn't describe my "system".
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 15 2014 16:52 GMT
#233
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?

It was actually 2/3. Both were pretty obvious :D lurking, bandwagoning, not helping town at all. Obvious scum tells, consistent for all 4 game days.
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