Catastrophe Mafia

On April 03 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik your read on Wave is wrong.

On April 03 2014 09:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh man, solid player list. This one is gonna be funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I'm so pumped. Mebbe 'cause I actually just haven't played with all y'all in a little while.
<3

Yamato why u gotta ruin the fun so early?

On April 03 2014 09:41 gumshoe wrote:


Rayn should get lynched for saying Robik's read is wrong and then calling him town?

On April 03 2014 09:53 Keirathi wrote:

So he should just keep his gut read to himself? Why? To what end?

On April 03 2014 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If yamato is actually serious with his vote i consider him as likely mafia.

On April 03 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno really. Nothing much ahs happened. Got some town reads, some meh people and yamato and iamp.
What do you think?

On April 03 2014 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Boy you sure like to jump into conclusions this game.

On April 03 2014 10:51 iamperfection wrote:

There is shit to talk about. Talk about it.

On April 03 2014 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
How do you feel about Robik's vote on iamp?

Because that's probably the most wtf thing in the thread so far.

On April 03 2014 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:

You don't want any tasty cookies---I mean items, yamato?

On April 03 2014 10:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i don't like his townread on you. That's more what i don't like than the people who said something non-alignment indicative. Not sure if he is mafia. Not sure if you are mafia but my first impression of you was "wtf is yamato doing" and i usually kinda get what you are doing. So, you two stand out the most.

On April 03 2014 10:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't have a lot right now.
Aside from a lot of items.

As far as people are concerned, nobody screams scum to me yet. A lot of the people who have bothered to show up thus far are those who are easy to read at a later date so I'm not particularly concerned.

On April 03 2014 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And no, i am not calling either of you mafia.
So yes, you are jumping to conclusions because stand out != necessarily mafia.

On April 03 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't really see, no.

On April 03 2014 11:37 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like how theres not a single real scum read in dandel ions whole thing / : it's all just policy lynch suggestions and uncalled for slander. Why put such a huge effort into something so pointless? You know, unless hes hoping scum impale themselves on the branches of his not for reals tree... Maybe hes deliberately playing into our idea of Dandel Ion? It definitly doesnt look like hes scum hunting. In fact he even confirms that the primary goal of his posting tonight was to get a green check from town
.

Does that not seem iffy?

On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.

On April 03 2014 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:

why?

On April 03 2014 12:02 gumshoe wrote:


Do you think he's incapable of playing into his own meta? What has he contributed so far in comparison to how much effort it looks like he's spent?

Why do you think Rayn is scum?

On April 04 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote:

Saying you want to kill dandel and then not wanting to interact and talk about dandel. And some game plan about rayn vote.

On April 04 2014 03:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
fools post was shit

On April 04 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am quite sure marvellosity is mafia.
Can't explain properly.

On April 04 2014 04:03 IAmRobik wrote:

I do not like you yamato. Not sure why. Will look into it at some point

On April 04 2014 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you say this?

On April 04 2014 04:04 LSB wrote:

So why is talking about disney and game mechanics a town read? Now that you pointed him out to me I read him as mafia.

On April 04 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

nonono...
rofl no.

that's not what's going on. see, this is the point of my case. ^_^

On April 04 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But hey, the point is this:
austin calls both of our reads "nonsense"
- at that point my reads were not nonsense because i literally said "i am always serious when i give reads"
- now, people who have paid attention know there is something going on with your read on me.

he still claims both of outr reads were nonsense.....

On April 04 2014 13:37 gumshoe wrote:


You called him scum at the start 0_0 when did this change? Did you ever think he was scum? What made you think he was town?

On April 04 2014 16:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

If you give me a solid reason aside from 'he wants to lynch me.'
Also if you explain your interaction with Rayn (assuming it doesn't ruin anything I suppose)?

On April 03 2014 17:31 syllogism wrote:

This post feels awkward to me even as a troll. In the subsequent post you postulate that, based on your video mafia experience, robik is really excited as town and you aren't seeing that here yet. You have at least some previous forum mafia experience, so I've a hard time believing that you can't see the difference between the formats. Was your genuine expectation that Robik's post would immediately convey the same kind of excitement and do you actually think that he has "quit"? That is, do you think that Robik was serious when he said he "would be back on day 2"?

On April 03 2014 21:43 syllogism wrote:

It takes no effort at all. In fact, if you go here, copy paste his post and choose "flip wording", you get a perfectly normal post with no errors at all, spacing and all. That suggests it was done automatically rather than manually. Did this not occur to you?

It is reasonable to believe that Greymist would realize such tools are available and I don't think it's likely he that would make a role with a posting restriction that takes no effort on the part of the person with the role. It also just makes the game more annoying to read and as far as I know, there are no previous Greymist roles with posting restrictions. If you agree, do you think this says something about Paperscraps?

On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:

You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie.

As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game.

On April 04 2014 17:28 syllogism wrote:

This looks strange given that Oats is/was one of your strongest town reads. What were you hoping to gain from asking this question?

Robik: As I understand it, you are a bit more familiar with tehpoofter's play. He understandably was fixated on you early on, but hasn't really been doing anything since then besides asking, from my perspective, unfocused questions. On the other hand, he seems carefree; what do you think?

On April 05 2014 02:41 syllogism wrote:
The difference in effort Gumshoe has put in cell mini and this game is drastic. Him saying that he sometimes decides to be lazy if a game doesn't interest him isn't sufficient given the contrast. Does his QT content look any better?

Gumshoe: I'm not expecting miracles from your answer, but could you attempt to enunciate as to why this game doesn't interest you?

On April 05 2014 04:46 syllogism wrote:
Gumshoe has made 39 posts in the other game since his last one in here and the lynch deadline in that game isn't even today.
I'm leaving in 30 minutes and it doesn't look like paperscraps lynch needs any help to reach majority, so that's where my vote is going.

##vote Gumshoe

On April 05 2014 05:05 syllogism wrote:

No, paperscraps is a good lynch, but that remark was in the context of the best use of my vote given that that lynch isn't going to need any help and I won't be here to switch later.

On April 05 2014 05:02 syllogism wrote:
Kita is right about the discrepancy between gumshoe's activity in cell mini/doctor who being almost as large as in here/cell. Hard to contextualize the activity, but it does weaken my point. Perhaps tehpoofter is a better lynch.

On April 05 2014 05:57 syllogism wrote:

His initial Robik read also feels disingenuous.


This was very early into the game and the bolded doesn't actually have anything to do with this game. Could he have genuinely felt that robik had started giving out town reads, but then quit doing that at that stage of the game? That just seems like a blatant misrepresentation.

##unvote
##vote Tehpoofter

On April 04 2014 09:55 sandroba wrote:

I'm supposed to be, but I can't tell either way so far. I'll see if he does something useful tomorrow besides coaching people on anger management, if he doesn't there is reason to be worried.
I get it that palmar wants to spam the thread and I'm not sure if he is mafia for it yet, but holy enabling him feels out of character from the little I've seen from him.
Marv just seems flat out useless so far.

On April 04 2014 10:10 sandroba wrote:
Besides the palmar thing, his "reads" are for the most part opposite of mine and he is supposed to be good at this game. Also he has done nothing other than spam one liners with apparently very little thought put into them. It may be somehow minor, but I remember him being quite proud of his mafia playing abilities and his comment downplaying himself with oats seems like scum behavior to me.

On April 06 2014 02:21 sandroba wrote:
LSB I think is auto scum every time he posts in any game I've been in. I feel that way this game too. Maybe you better ask someone who can actually read the dude correctly.

On April 04 2014 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
this is increasingly more odd when palmar is in the SAME boat as me, yet actively trolling EVEN MORE and has marv in his scum pile yet it's perfectly ok for marv to not even bother thinking about palmar till later

On April 04 2014 17:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also mentioned something about dandel yesterday before I left, his stance on yamato is that yamato is super scum but he shows no initiative or drive to even portray this to the thread other than +1ing people that go against yamato.


(probably a joke but not joke)





(why is kita whose alignment you can't be sure of a better lynch than someone you think is obvious scum?)


(only responds about his scum read when asked)

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tl:dr he has yamato as a really big scum read but shows no interest in developing it, interacting with his scum read or pushing his scum read at any point in the game. He only mentions it to +1 people or to answer when asked and he does not think a vote on yamato is apt at this time but still votes for kita.

On April 04 2014 22:22 Holyflare wrote:


i have, hence why i'm still following up on it, i do not care what you say because you can be wrong ty

On April 05 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:


this paperscraps lynch is going to happen so whoever's reason isn't "because marv's posts" looks weird to me imo

On April 05 2014 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
gumshoe is really active in cell and his name has been thrown around a lot and by his own meta analysis if he gets overwhelmed as scum he just gets lazy and doesn't post

shoot that mofo

On April 05 2014 23:57 Holyflare wrote:


This post is bs because i was your scum read who your vote was on day 1 and wave i seem to remember you saying was not town too?

On April 06 2014 04:07 syllogism wrote:

I'm reading Robik's early game filter, and he is making the same kind of definite statements. I think the better question is whether you changed your tune on Robik due to the flak you got for it or because you genuinely changed your mind.


I was reading filters for as long as I had time looking for alternatives. Why are you attempting to paint something clearly towny as suspicious? Furthermore, in the post you quoted Sandro states that he, too, finds tehpoofter suspicious as had many other players. What do you even mean by that "again" my vote is leaving the majority pack and "heading off to no-man's land"? Your own vote was on HF at the time. Actually, now that I look at your filter, you didn't even discuss paperscraps before the lynch. The only justification you gave for voting gumshoe was that he was playing "bad". Eagerly awaiting your first actual thoughts on him.

On April 06 2014 04:13 syllogism wrote:

Answer the concerns instead of dodging. You are attempting to cast suspicion on me for something that could be doubly said about your own play. Hypocrisy or malice? Why were you ignoring the main wagon?

On April 06 2014 04:21 syllogism wrote:

I've explained that already. A lynch is going to happen on day 1 no matter what and I wanted to keep options open so we wouldn't be forced to default to paperscraps due to not being there to switch. Your claim about not ignoring the main wagon is not consistent with your in-thread actions. Perhaps you did actually form an opinion about the paperscraps lynch, but the only evidence for it so far is your word right now. What do you think about paperscraps?

On April 06 2014 04:43 syllogism wrote:

I've stated my opinion of him. You have not explained why you are trying to frame something you yourself were doing as suspicious.

On April 06 2014 05:23 IAmRobik wrote:

Who the fuck thinks this?

On April 06 2014 06:13 IAmRobik wrote:

Did you really just claim that I've provided 0 reads? Are you even in the fucking same game as me?!?!? LOLOLOLOL

On April 06 2014 06:26 IAmRobik wrote:

How have I not been productive. I'm pretty sure I've given more reads this game than you ahve and I'm pretty sure that the majority of your reads are fabricated. As mafia, I love just picking a person and going through their filter and just picking things that seems scummy and posting about them. It's way easier than doing any sort of stream of conscious posting. I'm drunk and can stream of conscious post more towny than any person in this game cause I'm town as fuck and I don't care what I say or what opinions I express cause they're genuine as fuck and I have nothing to fucking hide.

On April 04 2014 21:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
Yep marv I agree. We can lynch Robik tomorrow

## unvote
## Vote: Paperscrapes

On April 06 2014 07:46 Killing wrote:



My current scum:

1st Iamperfection
2nd Poofter

Iamperfection: I just re-read him. He hasn't put forth any reads and is always asking others questions on their own reads instead of giving his own. If someone town has a kp and the trade-off isn't bad or something, I would shoot him.

Poofter: I made a case earlier on why I didn't like him. I still don't really like anything he has said since.

On April 05 2014 09:08 Amiko wrote:


Modified survivor. My night action can be learning if a player has an item and taking it, if possible. I have a one shot that disables all item use and swaps items among players (1 for 1). I can protect myself at night (and no one else).

About the robik comment, I thought he was likely 3p and I figured he would notice that and assume I am also 3p from it, then send me something back to joint. But I don't blame him for giving it thread attention, it probably was a liability.

On April 06 2014 08:00 Holyflare wrote:


Or like hogwarts where he was scum with little time

On April 06 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
Also yamato you made a really fail post about me, some quote you mentioned about me saying "anyone who mentions they are voting for paperscraps for not marv reasoning looks bad". That is legitimately true. People who were sheeping along with the vote but addng their own 2 cents about their special reasoning for voting paperscraps should be scrutinised because it's a mafia trait to overjustify a reason to vote when there was a perfectly sheepable reason already. Not to mention paperscraps had no other reasoning to be voted for other than being shit/talking backwards

On April 06 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote:



Explain to me how this vote is bad?

I saw marv point out a good scummy post on paperscraps that directly related to me. I am familiar with paperscraps play and him going back on a read for no reason is not something I would say that he does often and even more rarely as town. Paper went from "Tehpoofter is townie" to "hey guys attacking poofter thats dumb this is his null game" when I literally didn't post in between.... like what changed his mind?

I'd love for further clarification why is it bad or even more so "the worst vote in existence"

On April 06 2014 08:52 Holyflare wrote:


No it's not at all rofl. Someone posts some convincing post, I'm like 100% confident people will sheep it. Over justification is a mafia tell regardless of the players alignment. So no yamato, it really isn't.

On April 07 2014 06:11 Tehpoofter wrote:



Not oppossed to that also iamp is a good lynch tahts who foolishness was on and he died at night (maybe he was a town kill but idk)

My favorite people to look at is (aside from my red check) is iamp/LSB/yamato the fact yamato threw dirt on my claim before i even claimed is a weird thing to do.

On April 07 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:



Do you believe my claim? Like its weird to throw dirt on it before I mean as mafia explain the advantage I gain outing like this today?

I would like to look at LSB for sure.

On April 07 2014 07:00 syllogism wrote:
Because my win con is to kill you, but apparently getting a third party that can win with mafia lynched in this town is too difficult.

On April 07 2014 07:06 syllogism wrote:
Ask tehpoofter's and he will tell that his check says not-town rather than mafia. Why would I possibly claim tracking a claimed third party to a kill as mafia?

On April 22 2014 12:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
How'd that work out for you yamato? What day did I FINALLY get lynched again?

On April 22 2014 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

My interactions with Oats were on point. When he flipped scum you would have looked elsewhere I promise you that. Who do you think you are, strongandbig?