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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2014 15:03 GMT
#981
On April 03 2014 23:58 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 23:56 strongandbig wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:20 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:14 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:
[quote]

I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW.

Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town.

TMI = too much info?

Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic

Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia.

Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor.

I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us.

I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.

I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ.

You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie.

As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game.

That's all fine and dandy from your POV, but like -- I don't play that way. So you won't find me sucking up to people and trying to befriend them during the game. I'm gonna be aggressive. I'm gonna take weird fucking stances that no one is going to understand and I'm going to tell you what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.

As for the first part of what you're saying -- I know mislynches happen, but fuck that. I never wanna mislynch and I never wanna be mislynched.

You do realise that its possible to change your playstyle? Is it brtter to find all the scum in day 1 and get mislynched day one or to slowly convince people to lynch your targets since you profess to have awesome reads.

chill the fuck down, nobody is being personal.

"I'm generally just happy if I can post a list that wins if you lynch from the bottom up (actually getting them lynched is totally overrated)"

"The real battle is fought and won in the postgame."

I'm not influential cause my reads don't make sense to people and they're hard to explain/take seriously. I'll post a list at some point with my reads. Then I'll die. No one will listen to me for the aforementioned reasons and after the game I'll just direct you to my reads post.

i thought you said you like winning
On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:
I hate that Palmar is town this game.


I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW.

Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town.

TMI = too much info?

Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic

Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia.

Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor.

I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us.

I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.

I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ.

i dont know what you're doing but it sounds like you're either playing next-level scum play or trying to justify your own dogmatic view of how a "townie" should play and if you lose it's everyone else's fault.

it's like you're a dota2 player who believes he's stuck in "elo hell"

Nah. I'm like the support player that plays well and gets his carry like 600+ gpm, but then dies and gets blamed for the carry not being able to carry.

so change your playstyle. play a higher-impact hero. be the solo mid of this town if you want to win, but if you'd rather have "i told you so"s than wins admit it and gtfo cause this is a team game
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 03 2014 15:04 GMT
#982
On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".

Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.

I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.

Totes okay with waiting until he says more.


Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this.

so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before.

other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet

Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 03 2014 15:05 GMT
#983
EBWOP:
conclusion; I agree with you snb too early to tell Balla's alignment.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 03 2014 15:07 GMT
#984
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 03 2014 15:07 GMT
#985
On April 04 2014 00:03 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 23:58 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:56 strongandbig wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:20 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:14 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:
[quote]
TMI = too much info?

Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic

Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia.

Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor.

I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us.

I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.

I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ.

You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie.

As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game.

That's all fine and dandy from your POV, but like -- I don't play that way. So you won't find me sucking up to people and trying to befriend them during the game. I'm gonna be aggressive. I'm gonna take weird fucking stances that no one is going to understand and I'm going to tell you what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.

As for the first part of what you're saying -- I know mislynches happen, but fuck that. I never wanna mislynch and I never wanna be mislynched.

You do realise that its possible to change your playstyle? Is it brtter to find all the scum in day 1 and get mislynched day one or to slowly convince people to lynch your targets since you profess to have awesome reads.

chill the fuck down, nobody is being personal.

"I'm generally just happy if I can post a list that wins if you lynch from the bottom up (actually getting them lynched is totally overrated)"

"The real battle is fought and won in the postgame."

I'm not influential cause my reads don't make sense to people and they're hard to explain/take seriously. I'll post a list at some point with my reads. Then I'll die. No one will listen to me for the aforementioned reasons and after the game I'll just direct you to my reads post.

i thought you said you like winning
On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:
I hate that Palmar is town this game.


I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW.

Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town.

TMI = too much info?

Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic

Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia.

Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor.

I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us.

I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.

I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ.

i dont know what you're doing but it sounds like you're either playing next-level scum play or trying to justify your own dogmatic view of how a "townie" should play and if you lose it's everyone else's fault.

it's like you're a dota2 player who believes he's stuck in "elo hell"

Nah. I'm like the support player that plays well and gets his carry like 600+ gpm, but then dies and gets blamed for the carry not being able to carry.

so change your playstyle. play a higher-impact hero. be the solo mid of this town if you want to win, but if you'd rather have "i told you so"s than wins admit it and gtfo cause this is a team game

It's belaboring to keep explaining this lol:

it's difficult to do when you clear people because they said "the killing has become the killed" or condemn them for saying " whether or not I am mafia or town"

I don't go on and on about stuff. I give my reads and that's that. If I don't like the direction we're going I'll say something. If I do, I'll prolly just sit back
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2014 15:08 GMT
#986
On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".

Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.

I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.

Totes okay with waiting until he says more.


Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this.

so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before.

other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet

Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught.

if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment

i dont like people like that

syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b



anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 03 2014 15:08 GMT
#987
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

I'm going with death factory.

I'm not entirely sure it is, but I remember it being kinda fun.
Computer says mafia
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 03 2014 15:08 GMT
#988
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

You call me out for not scumhunting and just yelling or some bullshit and all you're doing is talking about favorite mechanic. Pot. Kettle. Do something
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 03 2014 15:08 GMT
#989
On April 04 2014 00:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

You call me out for not scumhunting and just yelling or some bullshit and all you're doing is talking about favorite mechanic. Pot. Kettle. Do something


No
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 03 2014 15:09 GMT
#990
On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".

Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.

I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.

Totes okay with waiting until he says more.


Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this.

so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before.

other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet

Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught.

if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment

i dont like people like that

syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b



anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me?

Killing is DEFINITELY town. If you think otherwise, go read Foundations.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 03 2014 15:09 GMT
#991
Djodref you have been around, finished your read yet?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 03 2014 15:09 GMT
#992
What about personality mafia?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 03 2014 15:11 GMT
#993
On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".

Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.

I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.

Totes okay with waiting until he says more.


Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this.

so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before.

other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet

nah its a generalized read based on how people normally think when they play as certain alignments.
Why is Balla randomly proposing a random lynch when there is 0 need to and not pushing it at all not scummy?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 03 2014 15:12 GMT
#994
On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".

Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.

I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.

Totes okay with waiting until he says more.


Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this.

so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before.

other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet

Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught.

if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment

i dont like people like that

syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b



anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me?

I think Killing is town based on his last scumgame and this game. He was like FROZEN the whole game as mafia. Doesn't look like it at all this time.
You brought up syllo. Do you think sandroba is playing?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 03 2014 15:12 GMT
#995
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

I thought the parallel worlds one was pretty cool.
No gg, No skill.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 03 2014 15:13 GMT
#996
Oats is actually mafia.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
April 03 2014 15:14 GMT
#997
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

The tl mafia world heavyweight championship belt.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
April 03 2014 15:15 GMT
#998
On April 04 2014 00:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Oats is actually mafia.

Why you say that dear.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 03 2014 15:15 GMT
#999
On April 04 2014 00:15 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Oats is actually mafia.

Why you say that dear.

because he is and i see a bunch of people proclaiming the opposite.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 03 2014 15:15 GMT
#1000
On April 04 2014 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was?

The tl mafia world heavyweight championship belt.


Oh shit this actually gives me a great idea!
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