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On April 13 2014 05:17 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 05:14 austinmcc wrote:On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote:
What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much. VA a solid scum suspect. Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't. LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing. Or you could just read the reasoning I gave for why it would be highly unlikely that Scraps is town. Like it's not just the 3/4 thing it's that they were on that wagon with 10 hours left in the day. Considering their preponderance not to bus, that's really weird for them to bus a teammate there when it's quite possible that another wagon doesn't form. (Me reading doesn't answer snb's question)
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On April 13 2014 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Such shenanigans going on. I would say to protect dandel. Por que?
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(maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, wanted to see hopeless's answer)
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P'shaw. Me and my bro done shot us a scum.
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I'm out and won't be around til partway through the next day. My current thoughts would be that would be Oats > Killing > somewhere in VA/amiko/hopeless.
I think people who haven't done things that are provable need to be questioned/suspected/copped, because we KNOW that someone used an anti-BH power, someone used a prince of darkness equivalent. I'm not talking "Dude A says he did x," but actual things that we can PROVE occurred, and were claimed without counterclaim, or things that we can HEAVILY INFER occurred (a medic who claimed to protect a key target on a night where no kills occurred, perhaps). Also, we've seen plenty of people with more than one ability, so only people with proven abilities who have used them in particular town-favored manners are "safe".
Therefore, I would focus any checks, roleblocks, power steals, whatever we have, into like....VA/hopeless/killing but probably not amiko (very specific early claim). The more we learn about this group, the better.
I think medics MAY want to consider claiming towards the end of this cycle or next, or someone else claim the assigned protect targets FOR the medics. We've seen lack of KP before, and we don't know whether that's a tradeoff for the prince of darkness thing (scum can skip D3 but not have factional KP N3? We saw no kills N3), or whether medics got saved. If someone on the fence was a save, it would be good to know so that we can strike someone off the lists of those of us who don't know everything that's gone on. Again, great if non-medics can claim targets for the medics and we can confirm, but at some point we may just want those claims.
IF town is short on items now and scum has picked up a couple from kills, may be worth getting amiko to randomize. Item randomization is bad for town UNLESS scum hold most of the items, then it's more likely to dick over scum plans. If it just swaps items 1-1 between people who currently have items, this is ... not as relevant (too lazy to check back for that he said the thing does). It would also, at the very least, confirm part of amiko's story and can be used in a town-favored manner so long as town is at the item disadvantage.
Minor crap about people on that list:
Killing - I have plenty of reasons in the thread
VA - I normally find VA scummy when we're both town because he's always pushing targets I dislike, or pushing in a manner I dislike. Here he's just...not. Even during super quiet cycles, he's absent. If he's absent here and absent elsewhere, it's off from what I know of town VA. ***I HAVE NOT PLAYED WITH SCUM VA***. I would EXPECT VA to be a little more pushy and have a little more presence, and he feels like a good target for check actions / steal actions / pokity poking.
Hopeless - May have done something confirmable or town circley, I dunno. But he's not on my super happy list, and out of the leftover people (I come down to a questionable people list of Oats, ve, amiko, hopeless, killing, va, geript-ish), he's someone that's just gotten little attention and I dunno what he does and I dunno what he's done post-wise and push-wise and read-wise. If I'm around tomorrow, poke at me to poke at hopeless, and also poke at hopeless yourselves. The whole not reading the thread bits (not seeing snb's post about oat's powers, not seeing DI's claim) isn't great.
Anyway, praise be unto ABBA and may ABBA protect us from the NKs. Reject the radiation; embrace the melodies. If I die and flip and it creates any confusion, hopefully someone else will be able to clear things up. If not, I *am* partially responsible for the shot on LSB, via Koshi, but my PM won't reveal everything.
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On April 13 2014 07:29 strongandbig wrote:
How could blazinghand die? He was removed from the game and untargetable by anything
And robick protect me palmar or maybe hopeless imo The post made it sound like something UNDID the resurrection.
Either via scum now having that item, or someone having an item reversal power (possible cough cough towards amiko), or someone having another timeline affecting/power use nullifying ability.
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On April 13 2014 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
Austin what about ve? He's pretty high on my scum list atm what is your opinion. Notes I just wrote say:
VE doing nothing but...I don't think scum VE announces that he disobeyed expectations and did not check Oats. Did he claim another check? Look into that. SCUM PROBABLY DON'T GO "LOL I MISSED A CHECK" AND "LOL I DIDN'T CHECK OATS AND DIDN'T KNOW I SHOUD HAVE LOL"
VE has been doing little, but ... unlikely he just lies as scum, unlikely that he claims THIS role as scum (I think, "finds out when people dead + role/alignment cop + takes ability from one person and gives it to another" is ... not a fake claim and not whatever THIS IS DUMB I JUST DON'T LIKE VE FOR MAFIA)
he's possible, but I think less likely than others? Assorted random thoughts - I PMed him and got one reply, didn't really engage beyond that. He said he checked Djo N1 under the assumption that VA would die D2/get pushed, and then he'd know the alignments of everyone in his QT. That's why I asked him a question about why check Palmar over VA, he'd basically indicated that priority #1 for him was to figure out his QT's alignments. He responded decently fast to my quesiton and seemed to either know what I was asking or have a legit reason, which is fine, but scum VE might not have remembered a single PM from D2 about why he checked VA, so that's minor minor town points.
Overall, for VE, it MOSTLY comes down to the fact that he's been mislynched a couple times recently, for being un-VE-like or doing less than people think VE should do. I don't think some kind of power swap + rolecop is a bad scum ability, could very well be scum, could very well be town.
If we don't have a lot of DTs townside, makes it SLIGHTLY more likely he's town, given that I would EXPECT town to have a DT or two in a big themed game like this?
Overall, he got cut on my last pare down or second to last pare down, mainly because of those two first paragraphs. I dunno about scum VE going "YOU TOLD ME TO CHECK OATS AND I DIDN'T" when he could claim he was interfered with, oats came back town but has NASTY POWERS, or something like that. All in all, it's not my strongest townread, but there's just random crap there that make me think he's more likely to be town than a decently large list of other folks.
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On April 13 2014 07:34 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 07:31 austinmcc wrote:On April 13 2014 07:29 strongandbig wrote:
How could blazinghand die? He was removed from the game and untargetable by anything
And robick protect me palmar or maybe hopeless imo The post made it sound like something UNDID the resurrection. Either via scum now having that item, or someone having an item reversal power (possible cough cough towards amiko), or someone having another timeline affecting/power use nullifying ability. The way bh's power was phrased I'm pretty sure even his past actions should be untargetable, but obviously my interpretation of his power was off. I don't believe BH was targeted.
To me, I think the item that was used to rez BH, or the power that was used to raise BH, was targeted. Foolishness is NOT entering the game again, it's as if BH was never rezzed and never did anything. That FEELS to me more like a targeting of the item or the power, undoing it or reversing it, than it does something directed at BH himself (it's not BH's revival of Foolishness that was blocked, it's BH existing again that was blocked somehow)
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AFK FOR REAL
PRAISE ABBA
MAY ABBA GUIDE US THROUGH THE DARK NIGHT
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On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote:
@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too.
@austin can you still shoot people?
@jat If you kill me do you leave the game? No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot.
On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote:
I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective. Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.
On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected.
2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot"
3. We did already have at least one dead town cop Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits.
I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did. Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters. That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever.
Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role.
The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything:On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:23 LSB wrote:On April 03 2014 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to say I want to push the button. CATASTROPHE or CATASTROPHE?? Excellent point VE, it is important to establish lexiconically that CATASTROPHE is the official correct way to describe the result of pressing the button. Catashrophe is acceptable as a short hand, as well as "The town initiative for a better tomorrow" For example: We must push the town button so we can cause CATASTROPHE for the betterment of the town. I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum. LSB captured!! (i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum")
He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that.
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JAT, did you shoot last night?
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On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
[green]Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?
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TAGS HARD
On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?
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On April 15 2014 03:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 03:04 austinmcc wrote:On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote:
@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too.
@austin can you still shoot people?
@jat If you kill me do you leave the game? No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot. On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote:
I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective. Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.
On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected.
2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot"
3. We did already have at least one dead town cop Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits. I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did. Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters. That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever. Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role. The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything: On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 03 2014 12:23 LSB wrote:On April 03 2014 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to say I want to push the button. CATASTROPHE or CATASTROPHE?? Excellent point VE, it is important to establish lexiconically that CATASTROPHE is the official correct way to describe the result of pressing the button. Catashrophe is acceptable as a short hand, as well as "The town initiative for a better tomorrow" For example: We must push the town button so we can cause CATASTROPHE for the betterment of the town. I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum. LSB captured!! (i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum") He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that. oats obviously isnt town. im worried about if hes telling the truth about being 3p If he were, he would have said that way way way way earlier yesterday and probably not shot townies without KNOWING that he would meet some win condition in doing so (if his condition was super assassin-y, you have 1 trap, you have to trap x wizard, then I could see him doing what he did, but he would have flipped out more about WoS's role as now he's essentially stranded)
(any other 3P wincon wouldn't have done that crap)
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Grrrrr. I want to try and figure out the mayoral lynch vs alignment check, but it depends on how many scum and how many 3Ps we have, neither of which we know.
I don't see that it's crazy clear-cut for mayoral lynch, in some ways getting 100% of someone's role would be nice, it delays a lynch 1 day but it lets us not mislynch if we're wrong on someone. But we probably use it to check a 3P claim? And that's not a great use of a day, even if scum is down to 1 NK after today's lynch.
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Also, as far as "Why do scum not do x" questions, like dropping VE,
"why does scum syllo say amiko visited kita N1?" should be on that list. I still cannot figure out why he'd try to finger someone who, if truthful, is 3P, for the kita kill that early in the game. I don't think "was going to go to mars momentarily" is a good answer for that, he'd rather just get a townie killed mebbe. So in the back back back of my head is that syllo was getting a little heat, amiko IS mafia, and syllo wants the cred after the D2 lynch? That seems slightly ridiculous to just hard-bus someone at the very very start of a day though, when you don't know WHO the lynch options are and how townie you'll look in 48 or more hours. It's like a drazerk plan, and not a real people option for D2.
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Just asking on the shot. As far as what kind of question, it's a bad one 
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At some point we're bumping up against a bunch of scummy crap that we don't know a source of though.
That brings us to:
Prince of Darkness
Blazinghand unrevived
Oats being unlynchable (still think this will be on oats when he flips)
Protect on oats last night
Along with assorted small counter movements that we can't account for as of yet.
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On April 15 2014 03:43 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote:TAGS HARD On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow? The mayoral or role and alignment reveal vote will determine what tomorrow's lynch will be. Yeah but there's no...tricksy business, right? The option that has the MOST votes will be the thing we do tomorrow?
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