On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read: raynpelikonoshi gumshoe Steveling
raynpelikonoshi - likely town pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
Why would I go all out to defend you if I'm scum? Are you an idiot? What do I gain? And of course I'm focused on Rayn, I know hes scum and hes leading town by the hand, wouldnt you be attacking him if you knew that too? That also hasnt stopped me from going after Holy and others, who do you think is scum in your cell
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
I´m leaning towards Tehpoofter mostly because he tells about the perfect scum strategy and then continues to play exactly opposite to that. This seems a bit too good.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
I said you were 100 percent town, then proceeded to attack Holy, thats pretty all out. if I am scum I am playing insane and sub optimal when all I have to do is watch you get rolled. Why? What makes Rayn town? The fact that hes good at the game? Hes always good XD.
On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls.
I adressed that case here
2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways.
1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore
2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position.
Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight.
But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really.
I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle.
What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping.
On April 03 2014 01:01 gumshoe wrote: I mean, my cell is pretty much the most transparent, we havent heard enough from sent or coag to vote Plamar, I dont trust Holy as far I can throw him and no other group has been open enough for a confident vote (except Geript's maybe) why not vote steve? Does a single person here think hes scum?
Who the hell says we trust steve? You've made the last 20 pages a shit fest that say nothing other than talk about each other and you never ever consider Steve, who hasn't really done anything at all other than filter and come to conclusions already drawn.
Vote me for mayor. I listen to town consensus . If i go against town you can lynch me. Let's stop this shit of i should be mayor because I'm so town or he should be mayor just cz my read so gd. Vote me, end of all this mayor talk.
On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read: raynpelikonoshi gumshoe Steveling
raynpelikonoshi - likely town pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
Why would I go all out to defend you if I'm scum? Are you an idiot? What do I gain? And of course I'm focused on Rayn, I know hes scum and hes leading town by the hand, wouldnt you be attacking him if you knew that too? That also hasnt stopped me from going after Holy and others, who do you think is scum in your cell
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
I´m leaning towards Tehpoofter mostly because he tells about the perfect scum strategy and then continues to play exactly opposite to that. This seems a bit too good.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
I said you were 100 percent town, then proceeded to attack Holy, thats pretty all out. if I am scum I am playing insane and sub optimal when all I have to do is watch you get rolled. Why? What makes Rayn town? The fact that hes good at the game? Hes always good XD.
There was already quite some pressure on you, though(still much less than now). So hypothetically defending me could give you town points when I flip green. Or I would be an easy kill, if you get lynched on day1.
Sigh, your really over thinking it, in Cultured I had a similar all out green read on a player called Mocsta, I just think your town bro, why ya gotta hate me for it T_T also I understand there are reasons to do what I did, but the negatives are
1) instant ire of town
2) easy point for scum to jump on
3) doesnt help me at all as scum, because as you said, I am more likely to know your alignment if I'm scum, therefore there are no realy lynch benefits.
The only real reason I'd defend you is because I dont want you to get lynched / :
On April 03 2014 01:01 gumshoe wrote: I mean, my cell is pretty much the most transparent, we havent heard enough from sent or coag to vote Plamar, I dont trust Holy as far I can throw him and no other group has been open enough for a confident vote (except Geript's maybe) why not vote steve? Does a single person here think hes scum?
Who the hell says we trust steve? You've made the last 20 pages a shit fest that say nothing other than talk about each other and you never ever consider Steve, who hasn't really done anything at all other than filter and come to conclusions already drawn.
Vote me for mayor. I listen to town consensus . If i go against town you can lynch me. Let's stop this shit of i should be mayor because I'm so town or he should be mayor just cz my read so gd. Vote me, end of all this mayor talk.
Find scum outside of your cell!
Im not voting you 0_0 your scum.
Regardless of if I'm scum or not (I'm not) i will follow consensus. If i don't i am claiming scum and you gwt - 1 scum and then you confirm yourself as town because you are a tool who has been pushing me for no logical reason. Why would you not do that???
On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls.
I adressed that case here
2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways.
1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore
2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position.
Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight.
But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really.
I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle.
What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping.
Hmm. Nha. rayn is pretty all over the place as town. More so than scum. Your own activity just makes him spend way more posts on you than "needed".
Also rayn has provided multiple scumreads and townreads. With reasoning that go further than "all scummers are after me, the scumteam is superactive"
On April 03 2014 01:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe you are a cheap player. I hope you are only cheap and not a cheap fucker who does not deserve any single bit of respect.
We lynch Steveling from our group.
~rayn
Rayn you look pretty cary right now in my head, like a two headed dragon.
Our group is confusing T_T can we just go last and end the game before it gets to us?
Making a case on Balla, I think his group should go first, also I dont care whose mayor anymore, Holy's right regardless his colour, it really doesnt matter so long as they promise not to be a cowboy.
On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls.
I adressed that case here
2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways.
1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore
2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position.
Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight.
But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really.
I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle.
What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping.
Hmm. Nha. rayn is pretty all over the place as town. More so than scum. Your own activity just makes him spend way more posts on you than "needed".
Also rayn has provided multiple scumreads and townreads. With reasoning that go further than "all scummers are after me, the scumteam is superactive"
Scummers are active bro, that be a fact of life.
We are not scum. We are not. Now let me tell you some harsh truth in case you are town. And I am only typing this because you swore on your life. (who the fuck does that anyway but w.e) Look at where this game is going. You do see everybody is taking our side and you will get lynched? You see this happening right? This is not because rayn & I are scum and our scumbuddies are fucking you over because you are some smart guy that found out we are scum and they are all protecting us by making you look insane. This is because you are playing like a an insane tool, and everybody knows/sees that you will be the lynch in our group. It is literally impossible (or at least infinite times harder) for scum to lynch us over you because then they need to make a bullshit case on rayn, and defend your crazyness.
There are 2 guys currently hinting that it might be Steve that is scum (mderg and Palmar), LOOK at how they both don't think that it is us who is scum, even then they go straight against your 100% townread on Steve and 100% scumread on us. You do see what is happening in this thread right? Who the fuck do you think you are?
This has escalated, what I did was cheap but I dont think it warrants the bolded. I'm going to take a break.
So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?
Next up this little bit.
This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less. I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.
How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.
That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)
He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.
I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him
I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
But when hes danger, Mdern rides in
This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.
Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?
Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
This is what I said about him for the record.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then
Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.
So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.
or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.
My guess is a bit of both / :
I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn
Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
~rayn
"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.
So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?
Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?
I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read.
As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?
While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though.
You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all
Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME. Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / :
Whats scummy about any of this?
Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own.
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote: I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it.
Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember.
Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post.
Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later.
I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation.
Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit
On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn
Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
~rayn
"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.
So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?
Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?
As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?
Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1.
Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period.
You end up this post with
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum.
Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already?
I like your comment on mderg
On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.
Geript
I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).
Tehpoofter
Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town
Holy
Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.
Rayn
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits!
Gumshoe
Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?
Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.
I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.
All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool.
This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play.
A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face.
Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.
Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum.
I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight.
@LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun.
So whose scum in our cell? You say the most logical thing Ive said was how Steveling is town. Do you agree with that? If Rayns scum, why doesnt he just ride me to finish line?
On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote: I may have been an idiot this game, oh well.
Steveling quick question about Rayn
Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.
So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?
Next up this little bit.
This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less. I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.
How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.
That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)
He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.
I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him
I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
But when hes danger, Mdern rides in
This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.
Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?
Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
This is what I said about him for the record.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then
Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.
So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.
or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.
My guess is a bit of both / :
I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.
regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.
Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.
Regarding my steveling defense timings: first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true. Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason
I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null? Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning.
On April 03 2014 07:53 prplhz wrote: not really rayn
like palmar is town just based on how he acts but that's kind of it
i have no idea about your slam read but if you're town i'll trust you on it. if not then lsb is only kind of doing his thing from fisticuffs, lists and plans instead of commenting on stuff. i do think he was a lot more engaged in the game in fisticuffs though, he loudly disagreed with you and picked your number just for the lulz of it. balla i like. i have the same feeling about him that i did in default suspicions.
sent/coag hard to say. coag null, sent not very active.
getript is hard to say really. i would probably lynch him over cephiro. for someone who is this active he should really be more all over the place. i don't get how he can not comment on this whole swearing situation and just carry on with the same old prplhz-is-scum-for-no-reason thing.
i think gum is scum over steve. just thinking the steve thing over, i don't mind that he doesn't want to 1up gum on the oath thing. i can also get over that he originally complained over the oath thing because it was a bad argument (here) and only later did he mention that he opposed it because of a principle thing. his ragequit looked bad but then it turns out he didn't ragequit at all so that didn't actually look bad anyway. all in all, i think steve navigated a minefield and emerged relatively unscathed. gum on the other hand.....
If mderg were to flip red, would that impact your opinion on steve? Do you mind lynching him first? Or do you think someone else in that cell is scum?
On April 03 2014 08:04 prplhz wrote: mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was. i also like balla24's early read on him but that's a bit more flaky.
poofter i don't know really. low activity and i don't remember thinking his posts were all that great.
flare isn't very active.
dunno that's kind of a hard group. flare is nowhere near as townie as he was in that game we just played where no one accused him of anything the entire game.
Are you arguing Mderg's was buddying stevie as if he was a townie? Clearly thats not the case, seeing as he was willing to go out of his way to say Steve is neutral to him, you know unless steve is in danger, in which cause mderg leaps in to cut down the shitty logic raised against him / : against his number 1 town in our cell no less.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
On April 03 2014 07:53 prplhz wrote: not really rayn
like palmar is town just based on how he acts but that's kind of it
i have no idea about your slam read but if you're town i'll trust you on it. if not then lsb is only kind of doing his thing from fisticuffs, lists and plans instead of commenting on stuff. i do think he was a lot more engaged in the game in fisticuffs though, he loudly disagreed with you and picked your number just for the lulz of it. balla i like. i have the same feeling about him that i did in default suspicions.
sent/coag hard to say. coag null, sent not very active.
getript is hard to say really. i would probably lynch him over cephiro. for someone who is this active he should really be more all over the place. i don't get how he can not comment on this whole swearing situation and just carry on with the same old prplhz-is-scum-for-no-reason thing.
i think gum is scum over steve. just thinking the steve thing over, i don't mind that he doesn't want to 1up gum on the oath thing. i can also get over that he originally complained over the oath thing because it was a bad argument (here) and only later did he mention that he opposed it because of a principle thing. his ragequit looked bad but then it turns out he didn't ragequit at all so that didn't actually look bad anyway. all in all, i think steve navigated a minefield and emerged relatively unscathed. gum on the other hand.....
If mderg were to flip red, would that impact your opinion on steve? Do you mind lynching him first? Or do you think someone else in that cell is scum?
no. i think mderg red indicates steve green, and that's my opinion already. i don't mind lynching mderg before steve since i think mderg looks scummy and i dont think steve looks scummy. i would mind lynched steve after mderg though because steve looks town and i don't want to lynch town (not even if they have amazing reads or they are known bussers).
in what cell?
I disagree with what Mdern's alignment indicates, but so long as you concede Mdern for the moment I'm happy.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason.
2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason.
2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make.
1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right?
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have openly attacked mderg.
