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On April 02 2014 23:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:21 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.
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##vote: raynpelikonoshi So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch? Do you mean steve? Nope I mean me XD Please answer the question you shifty bastard. hehehe? dafuq? I am rayn? I don't want to remove myself from the game. I want to secure a first lynch on scum. Currently I think HF is town because either tehpoofter/mdreg is scum (I got tehpoofter, rayn got mdreg). I think that Balla is quite obvious town. Both players are quite capable to do without us and I think thread needs more time to decide in their group than in ours. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. I don't understand what you are saying though. You think I am scum, thread thinks we are town. As scum it would be smart to use our influence and stay alive. I am sure Koshi/rayn can push more mislynches when alive then just go for this 1 misslynch on you  Pretty sure.
Also, a third of the thread are scum, and they are organized, dont you think theyd command a stronger more solidified prescence than town? Why do you think that support means your right?
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On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi?
0_0 can you explain to me why this makes you town?
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On April 02 2014 23:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:35 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? 0_0 can you explain to me why this makes you town? Because it means I'm actually reading the thread, and that I care about the cases being made?
Why are scum not capable of that? Especially if said scum is one of the best players on tl.
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OH MY GOD I'M A TANK,
prepared to get rolled scum XD
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On April 02 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? Gumshoe apparently didn't but says he did and then scum reads me for coming to the same conclusion he did :D There's no way this is town gumshoe, he's saying things like he has "the whole scum team against" him and that he's caught a lot of scum despite spending 0 time on anyone other than rayn
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Thats where I'm at right now : D will provide cases once scum gets tired of fighting a losing battle against one dude.
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On April 02 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? Gumshoe apparently didn't but says he did and then scum reads me for coming to the same conclusion he did :D There's no way this is town gumshoe, he's saying things like he has "the whole scum team against" him and that he's caught a lot of scum despite spending 0 time on anyone other than rayn
Also how is it no way townshoe? Have you played a scum game with me? Point it out XD
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On April 02 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:
If half the thread is afk maybe scum isn't so organised? Why does the scum have to be active?
Maybe were all town and Artanis is the true scum? Wtf is this? I always assume scum play to the best of thier ability, this a tenent of my play going back to the first game I played on these forums, I am assuming they are a force to be reckoned with. You on the other hand are suggesting were totally winning, theyre afk, theres no reason to worry. Assuming that scum are as weak as possible to lure town into a false security XD ala scum holy.
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On April 02 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:37 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:36 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 23:35 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? 0_0 can you explain to me why this makes you town? Because it means I'm actually reading the thread, and that I care about the cases being made? Why are scum not capable of that? Especially if said scum is one of the best players on tl. Go read my last two games and see how well your theory holds up hurr durr
I think you played fine that game 0_0 and totally read and responded to each of my questions. You were just caught out fast cause Marv is awesome, otherwise you were never getting lynched that day.
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On April 02 2014 23:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:41 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? Gumshoe apparently didn't but says he did and then scum reads me for coming to the same conclusion he did :D There's no way this is town gumshoe, he's saying things like he has "the whole scum team against" him and that he's caught a lot of scum despite spending 0 time on anyone other than rayn Also how is it no way townshoe? Have you played a scum game with me? Point it out XD I fail to see how someone plays town so retardedly as to say everyone active is scum. Selects meta that doesn't make any sense in the context it's used. Says one of the most towny looking people is scum. Flips a read on someone 180 because "i think scum are on it". Why wouldn't your first thought be to reevaluate who you thought was scum but might be town instead? You are only calling people scummy apart from the person in your cell which is indicative of a scum trying to push mislynches rather than a town trying to figure out the game.
1:When did I say EVERYONE is scum, I've town read plenty of peopl. Also in the game with the highest ratio of scum weve ever played you think it's unreasonable to think scum are active? 2: LOL point out how it doesnt make sense, eat the food if you wanna take the shit. 3: Rayn plays exceptional as scum, so do you, and a third of thread is scum, no hard feat to look townie. 3: Vat?Why wouldn't your first thought be to reevaluate who you thought was scum but might be town instead?
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On April 02 2014 23:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:44 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:
If half the thread is afk maybe scum isn't so organised? Why does the scum have to be active? Maybe were all town and Artanis is the true scum? Wtf is this? I always assume scum play to the best of thier ability, this a tenent of my play going back to the first game I played on these forums, I am assuming they are a force to be reckoned with. You on the other hand are suggesting were totally winning, theyre afk, theres no reason to worry. Assuming that scum are as weak as possible to lure town into a false security XD ala scum holy. The point is, i don't know what scum is doing. TL scum especially like to be super super lazy nowadays so in fact i do expect them to be less tryhard than you make them out to be. Why are you so sure scum is active and plays to the best of their abilities if that is almost never the case?
Im glad your so lucky to get shit scum, but I've won like 3 games of mafia out of the 8 I've played, those loses were doled out by the likes of Rayn, you, Sloosh, solstice, so I dont know what your talking about. Scum on tl have the capacity to play great 0_0 or bad, I always assume the former because thats my experience with them.
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On April 02 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
You bring up culture as my only scum meta and i play scum lazily but that's because i bussed my entire team and played the entire town out against each other to lynch off the suki wagon so i could do that to act like a disinterested confirmed town. This game is nothing like that whatsoever? I have alignments to look at, people in cells that are confirmed mafia etc.
How can you even compare the two?
You constantly compare the two 0_0 so first off, hypocrite, second off, something like goading town into being at ease isnt some unique afix of cultured. It's a general strat that scum can assume thats super effective when they control town. Seeing as Rayn is basically scum, I pretty much know at least one of towns leaders is scum, so shit like "mdern is mafia, ez" fits scum holy to a T.
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On April 02 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
Yes 1 person on the team can play great but there are 5 people and you think 3 or 4 of the ACTIVE people are scum. That's ridiculous.
Theyre are 13 active people (not really including sent yet) 4 of them (read a third) bieng active scum fits perfectly XD Thats not at all ridicules, it's cell mafia, it's what you signed up for : P
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On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote:
Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking?
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum.
I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by.
The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own.
That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum.
I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself.
I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part.
Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate.
You don't have my vote of confidence anymore.
2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways.
1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore
2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position.
Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight.
But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really.
I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle.
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On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.
Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD
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On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.
~rayn
0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.
Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?
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On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD Why though? Ok here's something. Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt. Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.
Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.
I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.
Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.
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On April 03 2014 00:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:09 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.
~rayn 0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM. Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn? So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum. stop already. rofl. ~rayn
No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am.
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Like, Rayn, we agree Steve is town right? Therefore, either way at least one scum player is extremely active. If that scum player is you, that means the most active player in the game (who has had several active players, such as Holy and Balla back him up at certain points,) is scum. If I'm scum on the other hand, my team could be lurking, or not, but I am still extremely active. If we know that one of the two most active players in the game is scum, why is it so hard to bilieve that the scum team as a whole is active? Thats certainly the case if Rayn is scum, which I know he is.
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On April 03 2014 00:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD Why though? Ok here's something. Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt. Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap. Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here. I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me. Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion. The bolded is the important part. If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread. screw it, you have to be scum.
Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly
You know this how? Because i don't.
##Vote: gumshoe
and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / :
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