On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote: I like your comment on mderg
On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.
Geript
I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).
Tehpoofter
Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town
Holy
Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.
Rayn
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits!
Gumshoe
Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?
Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.
I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.
All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming).
1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who.
2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former.
I don't think slips really happen in forum. Like there are literally million 'scum slips' that have been pointed out and I'd be surprised if a quarter of them even came from scum. I don't really get where you are going with point 1. He has reads he's not sharing them. I really don't care. If he wants to continues to do so then I'll lynch the fuck out of him AND I think Rayns the scum in that group. Iirc I kinda liked his earlier posting when I was doing my read through but eh.
On April 03 2014 11:11 Balla24 wrote: Hi Geript, thoughts on this?
On April 03 2014 06:38 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote: I like your comment on mderg
On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.
Geript
I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).
Tehpoofter
Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town
Holy
Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.
Rayn
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits!
Gumshoe
Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?
Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.
I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.
All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming).
1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who.
2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former.
I don't think slips really happen in forum. Like there are literally million 'scum slips' that have been pointed out and I'd be surprised if a quarter of them even came from scum. I don't really get where you are going with point 1. He has reads he's not sharing them. I really don't care. If he wants to continues to do so then I'll lynch the fuck out of him AND I think Rayns the scum in that group. Iirc I kinda liked his earlier posting when I was doing my read through but eh.
Don't you think it would have made more sense to him to take a strong stance that says "obviously there are scum in here" instead of "I believe there mayyyybe might be scum in here". Like, in Steveling's position, if he's town it should be pretty obvious that mderg is either being bussed or is town. It should be more of an epiphany like, YES gumshoe this is totally correct because see, there has to be scum in this list since I am town and the other 2 of my cellmates are in here! You don't have to see it as a slip, i'm just curious if that makes sense to you or if it doesn't, if not why?
Maybe I'm just bitter but as certain players have gotten better, the overall level of stupidity has increased. Maybe he's not thinking, maybe he hasn't read the OP, maybe he's dumb, maybe he's scum. Like I honestly don't know why he doesn't auto-assume that there's scum in the list. I'm not a mind reader. I'm not psychic. I can't explain fully why he's say something like that but fuck it #yolo bad town. There you go.
I honestly am not sure which is funnier, Rayn actually trying to use that as a serious point or Sent actually taking it as a serious point. Both are really weird.
Banks you should read my case on Rayn. Like it's really weird that you talk about all 3 of those and the Stemo thing and wholly ignore my case which pretty much happened concurrently.
On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys, GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so) Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale.
Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with: gumshoe is mafia and ended with: gumshoe is mafia
PROFIT!
~rayn
You gumshoe fought for 20 pages and its what I got out of it I will gladly waste 1000 words saying what took you guys 20 pages. You should have just ignored him rayn let the scum battle you and move on. Now onto more reads.
I literally can't ignore him because these towns nowadays are retards and might even lynch me for not commenting on retarded shit. Trust me i know what i am talking about!
On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys, GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so) Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale.
Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with: gumshoe is mafia and ended with: gumshoe is mafia
PROFIT!
~rayn
You gumshoe fought for 20 pages and its what I got out of it I will gladly waste 1000 words saying what took you guys 20 pages. You should have just ignored him rayn let the scum battle you and move on. Now onto more reads.
I literally can't ignore him because these towns nowadays are retards and might even lynch me for not commenting on retarded shit. Trust me i know what i am talking about!
~rayn
Yah but lynching scum is always PROFIT!!!!!
Yeah that's why we lynch you. <3
~rayn
Yah I have a great track record of people trying to lynch me and me finding scum. Good thing I already found you.
On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote: @gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner)
I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing.
This setup is 100% predicated on scum obtaining Mislynches. There's huge impetus for scum Rayn not to townread me because it limits his mislynch options. Besides the point isn't in any way based on Rayn not town reading me. Like read what I wrote people. This is specifically based on Rayn's response re: prplhz. Prplhz filter specifically has points which IN THE LEAST point to townript; town Rayn would at least consider this in his read. He would not be 100% scumript and not 100% agree with his prplhz read on me because prplhz specifically points out things that indicate townript.
On April 03 2014 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB how are you "most likely to solve the game" when you have given zero reads in this game?
~rayn
The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP?
Do you shit up tl forums because you find it fun to be a troll? Or are you just a disgusting human being? Please leave
That's a pretty odd response LSB. To give an analogy: LSB: coach put me in and let me take the last shot to hammer the win for us Coachript: idk son, last game you weren't even able to shoot 50% from the free throw line, why should I trust you with the rock? LSB: fuck you and your little dog too coach.
On April 03 2014 13:49 Tehpoofter wrote: @geript rereading your thing on rayn I think your case is from a townie POV I just don't agree with it. I read rayn for other reasons mainly his case on gum and his general town rayn gung ho attitude.
@geript I think we should do your group first and get prplhz did you read my case on him? I think he is scum.
First off Rayn is gung-ho regardless of alignment.
I remember reading it and not thinking much of it... Re: scum slip about mderg and Steve iirc. But I honestly have been working the past 5-6 hours or so and need to go back so I can reread critically so I can actually see what's been posted and think about it.
Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)
Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)
Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason.
2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make.
1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right?
Meta'ing you is on my to do list, there are just other things that are far higher on said to do list right now. I know you think that I've been avoiding you for most of the game. It's not intentional; I've been a bit preoccupied with other things and I can't respond to everything while at work. If you're town, I'll get the right read on you. If you're scum, I'll get the right read on you. Just busy. <3
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have openly attacked mderg.
