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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:42 GMT
#750
On April 02 2014 22:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so?


You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy?

I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight.

I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track.


I know you are but what am I : P your literally doing the exact same thing as me, but worse, also I made my case and moved on to give other reads, I'm just responding to every lie you spout about me because I know you love to say shit over and over as scum till everyone thinks its true.

If you wanna put this on the back burner so we can focus on other reads, I'm cool with that. It's up to you ( :
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:44 GMT
#753
On April 02 2014 22:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:29 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so?


You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy?

I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight.

I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track.


Lol, at least we can agree on one thing XD dat timing

I would seriously suggest to start reading into other cells. Because you stopped doing that to tunnel rayn.


I already have ( : I'm just responding to all the crap Rayn's flung at me, he wants to call a truce I'll do that, otherwise it's blood for blood. Not letting him/scum dominate this thread as hes want to do.

Curios, how do you feel about Balla?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:47 GMT
#755
On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare?


Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:49 GMT
#757
On April 02 2014 22:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:42 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so?


You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy?

I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight.

I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track.


I know you are but what am I : P your literally doing the exact same thing as me, but worse, also I made my case and moved on to give other reads, I'm just responding to every lie you spout about me because I know you love to say shit over and over as scum till everyone thinks its true.

If you wanna put this on the back burner so we can focus on other reads, I'm cool with that. It's up to you ( :

You know you are talking to Koshi and not rayn right? There is a distinct difference.

Anyway, Koshi is also quite convinced you are the scum. I am currently wondering if you can make insightful posts, as that is the only thing that might make me revisit my read on you.

So pls make them.



Wrong, I am talking to scum, there is no difference and I find this hydra shield pretty shitty because scum hydras always take advantage of thier dynamic because it somehow always works in their favour.

What do you think of Balla?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:54 GMT
#761
On April 02 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:
Holyflaire.

Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.


this game

i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x


The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern.


Why did you do this and say i'm taking the easy option but you know... Leave out all the evidence why i said what i said? You seemingly AGREE with me seeing as you quoted yourself as a person attacking mderg but suddenly out of the blue you 180 your read on him because too many people are on him.

If you think mderg is scummy then to you AT LEAST 3/6 of those people in your list are town. You defend geript so you think he's town and balla looks really towny. So really, 5/6 people on mderg should be town to you. Only rayn is left and your case on him made 0 sense. So really. You're ignoring evidence from this games posting style to flip your read because a bunch of townies are on mderg.

Why you throw suspicion on everyone gumshoe?


I realized I was wrong on Mderg because of how much heat he was getting and his crap meta, I was honest about this and have adressed this point. Town change thier reads all the time, because thier town. As for my case, I pointed out similarities to a scum game of his were he pushed me in a similar manner 0_0. I also didnt like how certain he was I am scum before hearing steve talk. I then explained why all his actions make sense from a scum perspective. How does that make no sense? Provide proof please. I think Balla is scum btw. so there ya go. How is Balla townie? You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy.

Anyways point answered, 3 scum on mdern.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:57 GMT
#763
On April 02 2014 22:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare?


Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.


You agreed with me on mderg, then flipped that read 180 for bs reasons and then quoted something from cultured which didn't apply here at all and then ignored the actual part in this game where i explain things.

Want to restate your answer as holyflare - town now?


What bs reasoning? He plays shitty as town, half of active town are on him, a third of active town are likely scum and some of those people are my scum reads. I 180 because I am not trying to avoid hit and get an easy survival win, I am doing it cause I'm trying to solve the game.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 13:58 GMT
#765
On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare?


Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.

This is really bad.

The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia.


If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:10 GMT
#776
On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:



Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:

Here is the full conversation regarding this:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow.


Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?

Rayn watcha think?

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow.


Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?

Rayn watcha think?

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?

~rayn

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow.


Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?

Rayn watcha think?

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?

~rayn

I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :

Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things.
Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird.
I ask gumshoe this:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow.


Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?

Rayn watcha think?

I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this.
gumshoe what's the point of all this?
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :

I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second.

~rayn

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.

~rayn


I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read.

Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following:

gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!

There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:


Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:

I made a post about this already. It's here:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this:
On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:
On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....

not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead?


Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise.


However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?

~rayn


Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.

~rayn


"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.


Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz

~rayn

Look at the post.
  • In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
  • In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."

Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!


Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :

I'll just make a list of these:
  • gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
  • As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
  • gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.



Thank you for reading.

~rayn


Point 1: Why do you assume the trap was over? I wanted to see if youd say anything else 0_0 because your initial answer was this

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?


I wasnt satisfied with that answer, it was totally inconclusive and a complete dodge.

You then game me this

Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post.
Comments on my case on getmoript?


Which was fine, didnt reveal anything important so I moved on and saw no point to causing a shit storm in thread over nothing. Of course you didnt even bother considering any of this cause scum.

Point 2:

What readibility? I dont feel the need to be transparent with people who are 50 percent scum, in what world is this scummy?
This has nothing to do with proving my townieness, which I do through effort and finds.

Point 3:

I am presenting arguments that fit YOUR scum meta first off, not mine (my scum meta is inherently lazy and unmotivated the exact opposite as I've played this game.

Over all your, arguments are "gumshoe lied so hes scum" and "gumshoe contradicted himself as scum" both of which are things I do as town, and you town read me for when your town. You are calling a lynch on me for playing shitty, not cause I', scim : P I on the other hand, am saying "rayn reassures his own reads when hes scum cause hes scared of looking weak" "Rayn meta fits his scum games" "Rayn is certain of my alignment when he has no right to be" all of these things are true brahs / :

I can do this aaaall day Rayn ( : glhf.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:11 GMT
#778
On April 02 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro.


Idle commentary on shitty town atmosphere, scums favourite flavour of conversation XD
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:12 GMT
#780
On April 02 2014 23:11 Palmar wrote:
also, policy lynch for traps, that's a good reason to lynch gumshoe.


Go fuck yourself, lynch to win asshole, your just pissed because you and your posse cant beat me down 5 to 1.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#781
On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.


##unvote
##vote: raynpelikonoshi


So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:15 GMT
#785
On April 02 2014 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 23:11 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro.


Idle commentary on shitty town atmosphere, scums favourite flavour of conversation XD

Do you believe this?


Yes I do, have caught scum before this way. Do I think your scum? Its likely, but could be wrong. NEED to hear from sent and Coag

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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:16 GMT
#786
Anyone think Geript is scum? I feel pretty confident hes town, I vote him for mayor.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:16 GMT
#787
On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.


##unvote
##vote: raynpelikonoshi


So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch?


Care to answer this?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:18 GMT
#788
On April 02 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:58 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare?


Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.

This is really bad.

The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia.


If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment?

No the point is that my alignment is irrelevant here. No matter what my alignment is, once I think you're mafia, rayn by extension has to be town, and you're accusing me of being cozy with rayn.

But I now realize your theory has us as scumbuddies in that case so whatever.


Yes but the question is WHY your cozy with Rayn, you could be shit town and happy with him, or scum. It could be either, probably the later, I said as much myself so I fail to see your point.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:20 GMT
#792
On April 02 2014 23:18 Holyflare wrote:
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You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy


When is this ever true?

Also. Last game you sheeped me over your own read on rayn because i knew better than you. Why not believe this game?


As scum I find you put slightly less effort than as town, this is judging by cultured vs heavy and snippets of voice/video play(though I do take those with a grain of salt.)

Because I know Rayn is scum 0_0 like 100 percent now that Steve's bled green. There is no reason I should sheep anyone in this game on matters regarding my cell, because I know way more than them.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:21 GMT
#794
On April 02 2014 23:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.


##unvote
##vote: raynpelikonoshi


So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch?

Do you mean steve?


Nope I mean me XD Please answer the question you shifty bastard.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:28 GMT
#797
On April 02 2014 23:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
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On April 02 2014 23:10 gumshoe wrote:
Point 1: Why do you assume the trap was over? I wanted to see if youd say anything else 0_0 because your initial answer was this

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?


I wasnt satisfied with that answer, it was totally inconclusive and a complete dodge.

You then game me this

Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post.
Comments on my case on getmoript?


Which was fine, didnt reveal anything important so I moved on and saw no point to causing a shit storm in thread over nothing. Of course you didnt even bother considering any of this cause scum.

Point 2:

What readibility? I dont feel the need to be transparent with people who are 50 percent scum, in what world is this scummy?
This has nothing to do with proving my townieness, which I do through effort and finds.

Point 3:

I am presenting arguments that fit YOUR scum meta first off, not mine (my scum meta is inherently lazy and unmotivated the exact opposite as I've played this game.

Over all your, arguments are "gumshoe lied so hes scum" and "gumshoe contradicted himself as scum" both of which are things I do as town, and you town read me for when your town. You are calling a lynch on me for playing shitty, not cause I', scim : P I on the other hand, am saying "rayn reassures his own reads when hes scum cause hes scared of looking weak" "Rayn meta fits his scum games" "Rayn is certain of my alignment when he has no right to be" all of these things are true brahs / :

I can do this aaaall day Rayn ( : glhf.

#1: It doesn't matter if the trap was over or not. You didn't tell the truth even after that until i said you were fishy. The point is you lied, there is no town motivation to lie in that situation.

#2: Are you fucking braindead? As town you claim "being readable is big part of being town". In this game you claim "I don't give a fuck if i am readable or not". You are not only readable to me, you are readable to 13 other people. You answering to me does not only help me read you, it also helps 13 other people to read you. You are not this stupid.

#3: No. You literally claim i can't read you scum because of X but you read me scum despite X which is still there. That has nothing to do with anyone's meta. Nothing i have said has anything to do with meta. You are the one who brings up retarded meta arguments "he did this in that game so he is also scum here herp derp". You have NEVER in this game commented on my case nor have you backed up your case or argued with me about it before this post. I have answered your case and you fucking don't even read the answer but just mindlessly hammer the same things over and over again.

Anyways this conversation is over. I am not going to convince you you are mafia because obviously you will not agree. I am going to convince others so there is no point in you talking to me, talk to other people. Questiontime is over for you, now it's time for me to tell why you are scum and convince the town to lynch you. You got your chance to answer my questions, you blew it.

~rayn


1: I told the truth after you asked, there was literally no reason to go "hey guys I laid a trap, but nothing happened with it" before that, if I'm so scummy for it, why not continue to lie? Why tell a lie in the first place that makes me look like shit? I only did it for information, that is the only motivation and that motivation is purely townie, no loop hole you come up with can change that.

2: Readable to town, not readable to 50/50 scum, so go fuck yourself you brain dead asshole.

3: That whole things is what meta is, similarities between scum games 0_0 if you dont like it thats fine but you dont have to smash the whole idea of it just because your shit scum. You also never answered my case and never explained why im scum this game for shit you read me as town for in others.

I have answered as many questions as I can Rayn, it's kind of hard when the entire scum team is after you but I've managed, I most certainly have answered yours and will continue to do so as long as you want me to, dick.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:30 GMT
#798
On April 02 2014 23:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 23:21 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.


##unvote
##vote: raynpelikonoshi


So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch?

Do you mean steve?


Nope I mean me XD Please answer the question you shifty bastard.

hehehe? dafuq? I am rayn?
I don't want to remove myself from the game. I want to secure a first lynch on scum. Currently I think HF is town because either tehpoofter/mdreg is scum (I got tehpoofter, rayn got mdreg). I think that Balla is quite obvious town. Both players are quite capable to do without us and I think thread needs more time to decide in their group than in ours. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win.


I don't understand what you are saying though. You think I am scum, thread thinks we are town. As scum it would be smart to use our influence and stay alive. I am sure Koshi/rayn can push more mislynches when alive then just go for this 1 misslynch on you
Pretty sure.


Nah, scum want the same thing as town here, certain mislynches, just like we want scum flips, and seeing as rayn is scum perhaps hes scared of prolonged exposure and whats to collect his check now.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 14:31 GMT
#799
On April 02 2014 23:25 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 23:20 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 23:18 Holyflare wrote:
You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy


When is this ever true?

Also. Last game you sheeped me over your own read on rayn because i knew better than you. Why not believe this game?


As scum I find you put slightly less effort than as town, this is judging by cultured vs heavy and snippets of voice/video play(though I do take those with a grain of salt.)

Because I know Rayn is scum 0_0 like 100 percent now that Steve's bled green. There is no reason I should sheep anyone in this game on matters regarding my cell, because I know way more than them.


I put more effort in as scum than i do as town. Hence, ya know.. My 9-0 winning streak I'm on right now.


No, you play well as scum, you dont put more effort into scum hunting XD quite the opposite really. Also I intend to break that streak right now ( :
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