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XD Im sure that wont be necessary. I appreciate it though : P | ||
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One thing speaking against Palmar having a strong motivation for ending the game before d4 is that he didn't say anything about his teammates in cell4 and cell5. If he really really wanted the game to end before d4 then he could have said "Balla24 townies fucker on the planet" and "mderg confirmed town because of this and this post" and they could have used this town cred to bury this game. Because he was being cautious? You asked me why he was vauge on day 4,5. I answered it's because he wanted to win 123, which fits the groups that Rayn/koshi chose. You have countered with "why didnt he go all out?" because maybe he was worried we wouldn't be idiots and actually get to day 4? If that happens and he went balls out, he just screwed his whole team. You can play to win fast without playing dumb prplz / : Can you please provide some quotes where I say that I believe that Steveling is scum? @Steveling What is your current scumteam? umm next! I never said Palmar was scummy, I said that he wasn't declared town by everybody, there was suspicion. No, there wasn't a single vote for him but both Holyflare and you were on his back and Coagulation and partially also [UoN]Sentinel were pretty good at soaking up the votes. Holy was not calling palmar scum at the vote. It was just the people about to die accusing him. Which means theres no reason palmers would believe his word would not carry weight going into day 2 at least. Therefore we should lynch anyone today but Ceph because that was Palmars primary obgective. Not entirely sure what you're getting at here but "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" is just fucking dumb. You are seriously saying that raynpelikonoshi, Palmar and I sat in the scum QT and said "Man, we have to destroy gumshoe before d1 so lets all go get him" and that's completely ludicrous. Yes 0_0 I am totally saying that, because when 33 percent of town are scum(who just so happen to be great players) they have the ability to sway sentiment. Why wouldn't they throw thier weight around when worst case scenario, they can just say steve was scum all along? Also you pretty much agree with me... Dunno maybe I should really reconsider raynpelikonoshi. If Rayn was scum all along, and the entire thread has been calling me retarded for the whole game, the campaign against me is a fact 0_0 not a theory and you were a big part of it prp. Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment? Empathy, reasoning, motive. All we need to do in this game is explain why people do what they do 0_0. Thats the game prp. Are you saying I am not allowed to raise an argument against you unless you are capable of defending yourself against it? You also clearly understand what happened yesterday and are playing dumb. ... so? And also, how does this make me scum for not understanding it (which I still don't think I do)? Yes. And since they were both town Palmar didn't give a fuck and only did it to create chaos. He didn't predict that it would exonerate both [UoN]Sentinel AND Coagulation which was pretty bad for him. You clearly understood what happened yesterday. If you didnt, why were you so quick to agree palmar was scum?The only reason your playing dumb is because scum thirve off uncertainty / : the more variables there are today, the less likely youll get lynched. | ||
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On April 07 2014 06:36 prplhz wrote: Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment? Because thats the game 0_0 explaining why people do what they do. So you agree now that Rayn is scum? When did I become town to you? If you dont agree with the exonoration factor, why were you so quick to agree that plam was scum? | ||
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looks like he is just posting what he thinks makes sense for him as a townie to post. Yes, but purp, WHY has he been calling you town all game? WHY has he been calling me scum all game? Every read scum makes is meant to impact the cells, if hes scum, what does he gain from green reading you so hard? He is just posting the agenda he has always been posting, that has nothing to do with looking townie. | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Prplz agrees that rayn is scum... I just, I just cant geript, I just cant understand how your so dumb T_T | ||
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To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast. So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort. | ||
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rayn go sleep it off you moron oh my god You seem really concerned for Rayn here prplz XD you dont have to respond to this, I just found it funny. | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:57 getmoript wrote: If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen. As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads. Geript, your problem is your playing this like a regular mafia game, where anything can happen. In this setup scum HAVE to associate and want to win as fast as possible. They're greatest strength is their power to converge on things, with 5 scum voices to towns divided ten they can accomplish quite a bit. Which is why association reads are much stronger, you all ignore them at your own peril / : That said, I bilieve Palmer was scum because for sent to be scum, the red team would have to be utterly incompetent. Sent voted for himself... the vote was tied and one away from going onto sent... Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. Just look at this from prp. JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY into meh ##Vote Coagulation He can explain his reasoning, but that doesn't make his attitude any less scummy ) : and it supports the notion that scum were happy no matter what happened this lynch. As for Rayn, I know I'm town Geript and steves actions dont make sense if hes scum / : (I wanted a no lynch, but he jumps on me for attacking town hero palmar if hes scum why make his own life harder?)whereas Rayns does. Rayn pushed me all game JUST like he did in witchcraft for the exact same reasons. He then got drunk, scum claimed and outed palmar. I have an easier time reading Rayn in this situation than you Geript, you need to accept that. I mean, the best argument that Rayn is scum is that I am scum... yeah sorry I'm not fucking taking that argument into account Geript, but if you wanna believe something that dumb just cause your scared of looking like an idiot, by all means T_T These are my reasons, if we assume Rayn and Palmer are scum (they buddied super hard all game) then Prplz looks like shit. Yes hes been active, but why cant scum play well Geript? Why? | ||
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prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. and this? geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. The first one is a one hundred percent read, its phrased as if Palmar would actually be physically hurt if we lynched Prplz. The second one is that you are probally town 0_0 the confidence behind those two reads is worlds apart. Also OF COURSE Palmar would town read two people, theres two fucking town in the cell, he just needs one of them lynched not the other. That doesnt mean your scum, it just means we should DEFINITELY not vote for Cephiro because thats Palmars chosen target T_T | ||
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How is that at all similar to "yeah geripts probs town" | ||
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So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D In case anyone was wondering what the contradiction was, yes Rayn and Koshi disagreed on the specific order, but they both agreed that no matter what prps group would go second this aspect of the order was not rushed and the two of them were unanimous on this choice. If we assume that scum would try and win in three days (as we should) If ceph is scum, why the hell would they want this group second Prplz? Or are you accusing Steveling again? | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:37 Steveling wrote: Getript are playing downright bad all game long. Funnily enough this is their only redeeming quality, this consistency in being bad. Prplz on the other hand, suddenly during the lynching is jumping between sentinel-coag with no apparent reason. Also he doesn't understand how what happened proves that palmar is scum. Yet he somehow magically arrived at the conclusion that Palmar was scum all on his own XD what a baller eh? | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:48 prplhz wrote: First time I've been called a baller. Happy to be your first : D | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:01 prplhz wrote: If raynpelikonoshi was scum and scum team was so afraid of you gumshoe, we would just have put your cell first. Actually, Rayn did XD Okay guys i am soon off for most likely for the rest of the phase. My suggestion for group order: First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk) Last 2 groups in whatever order: (HF/Plammer - i would suggest HF first) I know Palmar is not gonna like this most likely but i think we don't need to play after D3 anyways so... I'll be here for another hour and i am not sure if Koshi is gonna come back. I don't care who is mayor but that's my suggestion. Lemme know what you guys think. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. It was Koshi who disagreed XD he went maverik or something, which worried you as well. are you going to talk this mayor thing over with rayn? | ||
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Was I though? Im flattered Koshi XD | ||
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Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. People are stupid in general. That's not an assumption that's a fact.[/quote] This is your issue Geript ) : you assume the worst of your fellows and you consider yourself inflatable. As a result you will always unrestimate your opponents, and because you have such a low opinion of others you will never be able to convince them even when your right. I have nothing else to say to you. | ||
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