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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:12 GMT
#1064
On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance.
You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes.

Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes?

~rayn

I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn

I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:18 GMT
#1069
On April 03 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance.
You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes.

Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes?

~rayn

I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn


the fact that he says if nobody follows you scum won't be worried? :D:D:D:D mderg, steve scum?

I think I have to rephrase what I wanted to say.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:21 GMT
#1072
On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance.
You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes.

Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes?

~rayn

I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn

I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.

I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both?
I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch.

~rayn

town
Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:22 GMT
#1073
On April 03 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Also how do you explain Steve's ragequit from town perspective? Why does he ragequit as town mderg?

~rayn

I have no idea about that and that wasn´t considered in my post
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:29 GMT
#1075
On April 03 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance.
You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes.

Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes?

~rayn

I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn

I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.

I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both?
I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch.

~rayn

town
Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch

So i can not do what i did as town?
Also why does he quit the game as town?

~rayn

You can but I don´t understand why a townie would change his stance completely without any ingame reason
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:42 GMT
#1080
On April 03 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So okay here is a TLDR from that:

You don't know why Steve would be scared as town
You don't know why Steve would be scared as mafia
Steve looks townie

You assume i could do a switch like that as town
You assume i could do a switch like that as mafia
I look scummy


It should be:
You don't think there´s any reason for steve being scared as mafia
steve looks townie

You think my switch has no reason behind it
I look scummy
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 19:49 GMT
#1084
On April 03 2014 04:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:42 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So okay here is a TLDR from that:

You don't know why Steve would be scared as town
You don't know why Steve would be scared as mafia
Steve looks townie

You assume i could do a switch like that as town
You assume i could do a switch like that as mafia
I look scummy


It should be:
You don't think there´s any reason for steve being scared as mafia
steve looks townie

You think my switch has no reason behind it
I look scummy

Yes of course you can say so if you want to.

But the fact is i am going to question you about "why would Steve do that as town then?" and if you can't answer my conclusion is you don't see a reason for him to do so as either alignment, so you can't tell his alignment from that. But you DO try to make a read based on that. That's fishy.

I also gave my reasoning for what i said. You can't just say "you have no reasons" when i have given my reasoning. So do you think my reasoning is bullshit? Because that's what you are saying if you say "you have no reasons", right?

~rayn

Maybe he´s honestly offended. Also I should have said that it´s harmful to get into the spotlight as scum without gaining anything.

yes, that´s what I´m saying
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 21:12 GMT
#1131
On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:
I may have been an idiot this game, oh well.

Steveling quick question about Rayn

Show nested quote +
Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.


So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?

Next up this little bit.

Show nested quote +
This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.


How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours
/ : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.

That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)

He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.

Show nested quote +
I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.


Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him

Show nested quote +
I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.


Show nested quote +
gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"

Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling


But when hes danger, Mdern rides in

Show nested quote +
This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.


Show nested quote +
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.


Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?

Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.

Show nested quote +
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.


This is what I said about him for the record.
Show nested quote +
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.


This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.

Show nested quote +
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then


Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.


So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.

or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.

My guess is a bit of both / :

I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.


regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.


Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.



Regarding my steveling defense timings:
first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true.
Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 02 2014 21:28 GMT
#1135
On April 03 2014 06:18 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:
I may have been an idiot this game, oh well.

Steveling quick question about Rayn

Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.


So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?

Next up this little bit.

This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.


How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours
/ : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.

That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)

He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.

I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.


Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him

I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.


gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"

Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling


But when hes danger, Mdern rides in

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.


There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.


Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?

Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.

You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.


This is what I said about him for the record.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.


This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.

We seem to have a different take on going all out, then


Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.


So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.

or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.

My guess is a bit of both / :

I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.


regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.


Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.



Regarding my steveling defense timings:
first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true.
Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason


I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null?
Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning.

regarding the town always care part: Didn´t you yourself say that you don´t care about rayns read on you? Wouldn´t that make me town, if you are town?

On April 02 2014 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
I'm defending Geript because your argument is weak.

I defend him because I think the arguments on him are shit!




Going to sleep now
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 10:57 GMT
#1364
##unvote

forgot to do that yesterday. I can´t trust rayn with that right now, if he does things based on strange logic.
After thinking it through I don´t think he´s scum for his switch, though. It´s way too far fetched to think scum would really benefit from that. I narrowed down my view too much in the heat of the moment.


Holyflare, which cell do you want to be up first?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:11 GMT
#1369
On April 03 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 19:57 mderg wrote:
##unvote

forgot to do that yesterday. I can´t trust rayn with that right now, if he does things based on strange logic.
After thinking it through I don´t think he´s scum for his switch, though. It´s way too far fetched to think scum would really benefit from that. I narrowed down my view too much in the heat of the moment.


Holyflare, which cell do you want to be up first?


Ours so i can play catastrophe without caring about this game :D.
Sorry to say I'd lynch you mderg!

That seems to be bad reason... is there any real tell town could make based on my flip?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:14 GMT
#1371
On April 03 2014 20:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 20:11 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
On April 03 2014 19:57 mderg wrote:
##unvote

forgot to do that yesterday. I can´t trust rayn with that right now, if he does things based on strange logic.
After thinking it through I don´t think he´s scum for his switch, though. It´s way too far fetched to think scum would really benefit from that. I narrowed down my view too much in the heat of the moment.


Holyflare, which cell do you want to be up first?


Ours so i can play catastrophe without caring about this game :D.
Sorry to say I'd lynch you mderg!

That seems to be bad reason... is there any real tell town could make based on my flip?


So you're saying you'll flip mafia?

No, I´d flip town, if I was lynched.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:16 GMT
#1372
I specifically leave my flip open, so you could give possible tells for both possibilities
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:16 GMT
#1374
On April 03 2014 20:16 mderg wrote:
I specifically left* my flip open, so you could give possible tells for both possibilities

mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:18 GMT
#1377
On April 03 2014 20:16 Holyflare wrote:
If you flipped mafia that's +1 to town and gives us an extra fighting chance to do more scum hunting. It also draws out people that were apprehensive about joining your wagon earlier.

If you flip town it shows that your wagon earlier most probably did contain mafia etc.

There is a lot of information to be gathered!

Isn´t it almost certain that there were at least some mafia on my wagon? It´s unlikely that it´s not the case.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:19 GMT
#1378
On April 03 2014 20:17 Holyflare wrote:
If you're sticking with you being town then make a case and explain why poofter is scum.

But I think you are way more likely to be scum than him.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:31 GMT
#1382
I think you are scum and just trying to get a fast and easy lynch on one player in your cell (me).
First you point me out as certain scum like 4 hours into the game. After that almost every suspicion or calling people out was strongly related to me (gumshoe defended me concerning my wagon, I defended steveling). You didn´t really push any other cases, mainly focused on people with a connection to the case on me.
So I thought I´d ask you which cell you want to be up first to reinforce my suspicion. You answered exactly like I thought you would by searching for a fast and easy misslynch on me.
Right now the only real reads to be made on me flipping town would be regarding cell1 which has been in chaos the whole game. Not much for the other scum to fear.


That´s my take on you right now, Holyflare
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:45 GMT
#1387
rayn is difficult to read right now. I think it´s very well possible that he is scum (He would make the most sense to be scum in that cell, if my take on Holyflare is correct).

I thought balla looked pretty townie at the start but he mostly kept himself out of the fight between gumshoe and ryan as well as the steveling case. Almost like he wanted to stay out of trouble. He also had quite some interest in cell 2.
So I´m leaning slightly towards scum on him.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 03 2014 11:59 GMT
#1389
On April 03 2014 20:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 20:31 mderg wrote:
I think you are scum and just trying to get a fast and easy lynch on one player in your cell (me).
First you point me out as certain scum like 4 hours into the game. After that almost every suspicion or calling people out was strongly related to me (gumshoe defended me concerning my wagon, I defended steveling). You didn´t really push any other cases, mainly focused on people with a connection to the case on me.
So I thought I´d ask you which cell you want to be up first to reinforce my suspicion. You answered exactly like I thought you would by searching for a fast and easy misslynch on me.
Right now the only real reads to be made on me flipping town would be regarding cell1 which has been in chaos the whole game. Not much for the other scum to fear.


That´s my take on you right now, Holyflare


If i was scum I'd want to stay in the game longer and manipulate as many people into mislynching as possible

This could very well be mindgaming so that you get an easy misslynch in your cell. I mean, even though you´re good as scum 1 misslynch is already a huge success for scum. Especially since there are almost no real connections to the other scums that are still in the game then.
mderg
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April 03 2014 12:23 GMT
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On April 03 2014 21:02 prplhz wrote:
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On April 03 2014 20:45 mderg wrote:
rayn is difficult to read right now. I think it´s very well possible that he is scum (He would make the most sense to be scum in that cell, if my take on Holyflare is correct).

I thought balla looked pretty townie at the start but he mostly kept himself out of the fight between gumshoe and ryan as well as the steveling case. Almost like he wanted to stay out of trouble. He also had quite some interest in cell 2.
So I´m leaning slightly towards scum on him.

right

so you think it's possible that rayn is scum

do you think there's anyone in this game for whom it is not possible to be scum?

also balla almost looked like he wanted to stay out of trouble.

does that mean that he did NOT look like he wanted to stay out of trouble?

like if for example if i can almost bench 240, that means that i can't actually bench 240

First you ignore the very well which should indicate that I lean on him being scum. Then you focus on only 1 word where it should be clear that to me it looked like he was trying to stay out of trouble. I think that´s called selective perception.

To your question there´s only one person in this game who can´t possibly be scum, that´s me. That doesn´t mean that some are less likely to be scum, though.
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