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On April 05 2014 23:52 Steveling wrote:
Yes gumshoe I was upset for something I thought was game breaking no matter my alignment.
You are mad because people are on you for totally legit reasons, wrong/right? That remains to be seen but don't put your situation up with mine.
Getript I won't respond to you until you answer my question.
Holy flare thinks I'm scum because rayn told him so and your mod confirmed ( somehow)0 - o rayn turned on you because I swore on my life. Those two things are in the same room man, not even level.
Please for the love of mafia stop trying to win an argument and start trying to win.
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On April 05 2014 23:56 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 23:51 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 23:49 Steveling wrote:
How did you not notice it, I say "getript" right there.
I swear half of you people don't even read. I noted it later on Doesn't read Accuses people of not reading. You made a sizeable post without noticing it. Then I realise that since I was waiting getripts response I jumped the gun with your name. Then I tell you exactly that. Then you post like all of this never happened. >.<
Why are you so blood thirsty? Do you refuse to concede a single point ever? The fact you feel the need to defend a dumb mistake that means nothing towards your alignment should be a red alarm man o-o you are just trying to win, not trying to see if it's the right battle your fighting. Chill out, take a step back man. Why couldn't rayn have been scum?
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Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was?
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On April 06 2014 00:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 23:56 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 23:51 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 23:49 Steveling wrote:
How did you not notice it, I say "getript" right there.
I swear half of you people don't even read. I noted it later on Doesn't read Accuses people of not reading. You made a sizeable post without noticing it. Then I realise that since I was waiting getripts response I jumped the gun with your name. Then I tell you exactly that. Then you post like all of this never happened. >.< Why are you so blood thirsty? Do you refuse to concede a single point ever? The fact you feel the need to defend a dumb mistake that means nothing towards your alignment should be a red alarm man o-o you are just trying to win, not trying to see if it's the right battle your fighting. Chill out, take a step back man. Why couldn't rayn have been scum? Because of your posts yesterday? If you read me you will see that I still wasn't sure about ryan until yesterday night.
That's just it! I went out of my way to do retarded moves, when I already had my cell locked down, there is no reason to attack Palmert I that situation, I did it because I thought rayn was scum ( as I still do) it is suicide to play that way, if this were a normal game I'd be lynched, if our cell was first I'd be lynched. I attacked plam because rayn was iffy on the other two in palms cell, but I've figured it out now : D I know the truth of this cell , can you guess what it is?
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On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home.
I look forward to it : D
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On April 06 2014 00:11 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. He asked a question, how is he wrong.
He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum.
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On April 06 2014 00:15 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:50 getmoript wrote:
1. Why is that interesting to you?
2. What's your basis for this claim(re: gum scum claiming)?
3. Why shouldn't I sheep Town Hero Rayn in his read that I scum claimed on day 1? And since you asked this twice. 1.Because you defend yourself from a simple question I made without hinting at all that you are scum. 2.Read the thread pls. 3.Where's this coming from, I don't remember.
Steve can I ask a favour? If someone asks you to rehash something, quote or rehash it, and please stop bieng hostile, it makes interactions difficult.
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On April 06 2014 00:19 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 00:11 Steveling wrote:On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. He asked a question, how is he wrong. He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum. Honestly, I don't take getript srsly. They had crap posts early game. Now for reasons unknown he made a 180. If he's scum he's very lucky to have ceph in his cell because it makes more sense to lynch him I think.
Geript isn't scum, and I don't take him too seriously either XD though I admit there are times when you ignore him at your own peril cause the guy seems to have a bit of an instinct for scum ( if he's town)
Geript was the goat in his cell, rayn wanted him lynched. Btw that's the clue to da treasure if you feel like filter diving XD
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On April 06 2014 00:20 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:17 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 00:15 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 22:50 getmoript wrote:
1. Why is that interesting to you?
2. What's your basis for this claim(re: gum scum claiming)?
3. Why shouldn't I sheep Town Hero Rayn in his read that I scum claimed on day 1? And since you asked this twice. 1.Because you defend yourself from a simple question I made without hinting at all that you are scum. 2.Read the thread pls. 3.Where's this coming from, I don't remember. Steve can I ask a favour? If someone asks you to rehash something, quote or rehash it, and please stop bieng hostile, it makes interactions difficult. When did that happen?
At least read the last couple of pages if you don't want to waste much time...
.Read the thread pls.
If you are not bothered to play the game and read you should do something else with your time.
You see this gumshoe?
This is a person who just skimmed through some pages and he already talks more sense than you.
Hi, I see you are new in this thread.
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On April 06 2014 00:25 Steveling wrote:
Right, what did you mean earlier?
One post in this game proves Geript is town, Palmer is town, Holy is town and that Coag and possibly Mdern are scum.
The post is also the reason why Rayn exploded. It's not too hard to find : P
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On April 06 2014 00:30 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:20 Steveling wrote:On April 06 2014 00:17 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 00:15 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 22:50 getmoript wrote:
1. Why is that interesting to you?
2. What's your basis for this claim(re: gum scum claiming)?
3. Why shouldn't I sheep Town Hero Rayn in his read that I scum claimed on day 1? And since you asked this twice. 1.Because you defend yourself from a simple question I made without hinting at all that you are scum. 2.Read the thread pls. 3.Where's this coming from, I don't remember. Steve can I ask a favour? If someone asks you to rehash something, quote or rehash it, and please stop bieng hostile, it makes interactions difficult. When did that happen? Oh do you mean the 2nd question he made? Anyone who read the thread knows that, all day yesterday we talked about it. It's his job to keep up. If it was something simple I'd provide it, np.
Eh, fair enough, just dont get Geript angry, seriously, tl mafia nearly exploded when he last got angry T_T
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On April 06 2014 00:31 Steveling wrote:
4 of those quotes are towards getript literally 1 page back for reasons I explained above.
Tell me what you meaned earlier with this question noone thought of and the treasure and stuff.
You really want the truth ? (goddamit didn't this exact line get you in trouble last time Gumshoe? T_T FUCK IT im milking this moment!)
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You know what, I hate it when holy does this so da Truth be incoming.
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You guys, can keep talking btw, dont stop the game on my account : P this is going to be a long/intricate post.
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On April 06 2014 01:13 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 01:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 00:11 Steveling wrote:On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. He asked a question, how is he wrong. He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum. GET OUT OF MY HEAD GUMSHOE!!!!!!!!!! You realise him and you arrived at 2 completely different conclusions? And I refuse to comment on your other post.
Actually I'm doing brain surgery on him, hes not taking it well / :
Quarter done the big one.
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On April 06 2014 01:24 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 01:20 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 01:13 Steveling wrote:On April 06 2014 01:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 00:11 Steveling wrote:On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. He asked a question, how is he wrong. He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum. GET OUT OF MY HEAD GUMSHOE!!!!!!!!!! You realise him and you arrived at 2 completely different conclusions? And I refuse to comment on your other post. Actually I'm doing brain surgery on him, hes not taking it well / : Quarter done the big one. Well stop with your big one... I don't want to get the plunger to unstop the toilet again. Seriously, Gum. You have me as town. I'm making a 100% townread on Rayn no backsies. Like, it didn't click until I started putting the pieces together last night when I was trying to sleep ( I should've slept instead of staying up), but this is exactly why Rayn was mad. He even has like a big post on it. Him and I have talked about this before, I've just been to tunneled and stupid. Like, I'm going to be dead on that day, there will be 8 players. You will NEED TO VOTE FOR STEVE!!!!!
Geript, it's best if people hear it out, it's not some bullshit meta argument again, it's legit wierd / : if it's wrong, I'm sure town will just shut me down like they've done so competently all game long XD
No more posts from me till I'm done.
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Judging by his recent actions and play, I have come to the conclusion that steve is town, he is brazenly pushing my lynch because I attacked Palmar, who is pretty damm town as well T_T. Which I concluded after actually having gone through his filter. I see that Palmar is far more chill and he does offer reads more confidently. He is active and fairly well reasoned this game so it was sort of a goof to call him scum just because rayn recognized the same thing and chose not to fight him. Rather, he decided to avoid Palmer all together.
Im getting ahead of myself though, if steve is scum he is pushing for a highly volatile lynch that could backfire on him, for the sake of a townie whose up for lynch today (basically he is forfeiting this cell to make ours a coinflip, when hes already won it via a no lynch) so I am assuming inspite of holy and his crap that Rayn is scum / : which makes this in particular post quite interesting. Game cracking in fact.
Okay guys i am soon off for most likely for the rest of the phase.
My suggestion for group order:
First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk)
Last 2 groups in whatever order: (HF/Plammer - i would suggest HF first)
I know Palmar is not gonna like this most likely but i think we don't need to play after D3 anyways so...
I'll be here for another hour and i am not sure if Koshi is gonna come back.
I don't care who is mayor but that's my suggestion.
Lemme know what you guys think.
~rayn
(Take note of the bolded for later, it'll seem quite funny then). This was the order Rayn proposed before he left and came back to Koshi's order. It's actually quite fishy / :.
Now seems like a good time to go over the 2 clashing town philosophies that have been at play this game regarding the cell order.
1: The fastest victory possible: This is achieved by putting the group with the clearest townies forward. This also has the advantage of leaving the hardest groups for last, so that the most information is at their disposal.
2: Keeping the best townies for last: The Notion that if you lynch the clearly townie groups first and your wrong, then those townies are gone and can no longer sway the game.
Rayn comes to a sort of weird compromise of these ideas with his selection, He puts his group at the head, despite the fact that he is not really certain at this time whose scum between me and steve.
there was something gumshoe said. he said "it's cheating if i am town but if i am scum it's not" - sounds scummy.
a bit earlier he said this on Steve
Just going to say this is really mafia-esque thinking.
Whats more, Koshi was of two minds as well. Heres a fairly fresh mafia list of his.
Koshi says:
Steveling (only trying to win his group currently)
alakaslam (trust rayn)
geript (imo not good reads, cav shares them and I don't understand why)
Coag (Other 2 town)
Make HF his group last.
On me.
gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?
dafuq?
There is so much turmoil in this group, it is the heart of this game and opinions could not be more divided on it. Yet...Rayn puts it first? Why? It fits neither town order mentality, in terms of 1) it is still a tossup and possible mislynch according to rayn and Koshi themselves and in terms of 2) it immediately removes Rayn and to a lesser degree steve and me, players who have all been active and fairly useful. Overall this group choice is just extremely confusing.
The next two groups arent as much bad as they are odd. I dont think there was much consensus on what to do with Geript and Slam's groups. In fact the least amount of discussion has been spent on these two, question, how is Rayn not certain about his own group(the one hes supposed to read best), but has a perfect read on the two most obscure groups of the game? Especially when hes been iffy on Geript all game long -_- ( in fact he really seems to treat him as a dumb townie, not scum,)
And speaking of reads geript. You have one scumread (me) and one townread (gumshoe).
Both of the reads are based on bad reasoning. Apparently you have a scumread on prplhz (noone knows why).
Do you really think it's fair for you to call prplhz out for not having any reads? Because to be honest you don't have many reads and the few you have are based on bad reasoning.
Geript can you now finally tell us why you think prplhz is mafia?
I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention.
Until tomorrow i'm off.
(fun fact, it seems Rayn's main issue with Geript is that he reads Prplz as scum, I get the sense that if Geript was willing to lynch Ceph... perhaps Rayn would be more than willing to follow through with that XD)
As for Slam,
I suggest we lynch Cell 4 first. Alakaslam is mafia. You can take this as a fact regardless of my & geript's alignment because we are clearly not both mafia, if one of us is mafia they are bussing because we know how the other one reads Slam and if we are both town the read is genuine either way.
If there is one thing i agree with geript it's that Slam is scum.
Take a good long look at this, this right here is the shittiest argument Rayn has made all game long. He is suggesting that because they cant both be mafia and they both find slam scum, Slam is therefore scum. Umm what if one of you is scum and the other is wrong on Slam?
Heres are some other brilliant arguments on why Slam is scum.
Not happy. Happy Slam is town, sad Slam is mafia.
Slam is the easiest player on planet to read based on tone. Does his tone look like his town game? I find it REALLY HARD to believe you jsut gnore this juicy way of making reads here where it actually would matter.
I have one nice thing i wanna try:
Alakaslam, are you mafia?
i promise you all geript is mafia.
i promise you all slam is mafia.
Stevelings and gentlemens, I present to you, Rayn's 100 percent scum reads...
Now, as for the 4 and fifth slot!
We have Holy and Palmers groups. Rayn confidently read Palmer and Holy as town.
Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say.
mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight.
There is wide consensus that Holy and Palmar are town and that coag and Mdern are pretty scummy, making these two probably the easiest groups to pass, so why is it that Rayns order puts us in a position where we can lose before we hit the groups that are most clear? His slam and geript reads are very personal and not too well regarded, his own cell is in utter chaos and would benefit immensely from certain flips, yet he puts that one first? The clearest two last? What is going on here? He cant even claim to want them around till the end cause they're good, because hes trying to eliminate himself right away and his goal is to win in the first three days...
The sad truth is, there is a third motivation at play. If scum were somehow able to gain control of the order, what would they want? Nothing less than what town does, to end the game in three days. In fact they would want it more, because that would reduce the amount of information town has for crucial lynches, which would happen sooner. So scum would likely try to make sure the groups that they are confident can win go first. Thats why Palmar and Holy were to go last, because they immediately turn their respective cells into an extremely risky proposition for scum. In other words if Rayn is scum he is trying to win the game without ever dealing with the two most town favoured cells. Palmers cell especially because Rayn wanted him to go last, (probably because Coag is scum and has good odds of bieng lynched, which is why we should stick to Coag today).
Alot more info can be derived from purely this bit, but I feel I've covered the important stuff, so next up...
I know what your all thinking
"gumshoe! this is fine and all, actually scratch that, this is not fine at all, your full of shit! As per usual! Why are you giving us even more meta garbage? You've already provided more than enough of that! Dammit, why cant we just lynch you today T_T"
Actually, I have proof : D
Koshi, what did you piuck?
Who is mayor?
Holyflare did you do this?
~rayn
KOSHI WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!"!"µl,öfedklögfdbhgfd
f7ucking fuck
you fuck,öfges
fuck you koshi you fuck
For the past day or so, we've all obsessed over wether or not his scum claim was for real, but we've been looking at the wrong portion of his explosion, why does Rayn detonate like this when he sees the new order? Lets compare the two shall we?
Rayn Gum Steve
Geript prplz cephiro
slam balla lsb
Holy mdern tehpoofter
Palmar coag sentinel
vs
Palmar coag centinel
Geript prplz cephiro
Rayn gum steve
Holy mdern tehpoofter
Slam balla LSB
Two notable changes standout here, the first, is that rayns group is now third, therefore it is more likely to get the info it needs to lynch effectively. I dont think Rayn would be THAT bothered about that though. The second more notable change, is that palmar and slam where swapped... remember what Rayns primary preference was?
First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk)
Lets assume your scum Rayn, if your plan was to take out these three groups first and avoid holy and palmar all together, would that plot not be utterly ruined? If Palmar wins his group as scum seem to suspect he will, that guarantees that we go to Holys group... another cell town is likely to win!
If your town Rayn, what are you mad about? All thats changed is you get to play longer and Slam is a bit out of reach, and you can still totally win on 3 or 4 provided you make the right read / : theres scum in every cell after all.
The new order is clearly a marked improvement and manages to balance out the two town order sentiments rather well.
Rayn and holy are around till day 3-4, so there wisdom remains for awhile, but at the same time you can count on their cells certainly coming up (as well as Palmers, who is first because thats when he claims hes at his best).
On the other hand, the scum advantage is now utterly ruined, Palmar and as a result probally Holy's cells are likely to come up. Thereby ruining scums best shot at winning this game.
TLDR Rayn made an order that could benefit scum (if hes scum) and is silly if hes town, when that order was changed to work better for town, but in exchange completely trashed that potential scum advantage, Rayn became livid and possibly launched a volley of crazy bullshit to throw us off the relevant portion of his anger.
So what can we can take from this? Rayn was banking on his own cell, slams and geripts, to win the game. So those people are probally town / : and those we were likely to lynch in holy and Palmers cells are likely scum. So yeah, lets just kill Coag XD if hes actually scum this will come into play again later, but thats the first step for now.
There is of course one issue with all this. Why did Koshi defy Rayn? Whose to say, maybe he felt itd be a bit to on the nose, fearing they might get immediately lynched / : maybe they werent communicating properly? Seemed like they missed eachother alot. Whatever Koshi's motive was, it doesn't change how scummy Rayns out burst was, not because he was mad , but because of what he was mad at.
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On April 06 2014 03:52 Steveling wrote:
Woah, I thought you drowned in the fountain of knowledge. Good to know you are safe.
Reading now.
I did, Gum the shoe is dead, I am Gum the white! I have come back to you at the turning of the tides : D
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On April 06 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote:
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%
Do you just sit there waiting for someone to call you out XD my god its uncanny.
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