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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:00 GMT
#2084
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:01 GMT
#2085
On April 05 2014 04:00 Steveling wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote: On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote: On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote: Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade? People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start. Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it? In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. 2: Your looking at it the wrong way bus wise, you think scum can bus any cell, its not like that, think of it as an election, say your scum team is rayn mdern palmer prplz slam You CANNOT throw the cells your are likely to win (ie plamar and rayn) you want to work to make sure those cells pan out no matter what because the mdern and slam cells can very well fail (leaving prp as a swing vote. It's like an election, where each side feels they can win certain states, and only like 12 are in the balance. If you have palmar in a cell with coag and sent, there is no reason palmar should lose that match and scum should do as much as they can to make sure that doesnt happen, thereby leaving clear connections. No no and no. This is wrong, period. You don't lynch anyone with the end game in mind in this setup, I think that's clear. On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote: No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. I'll push for a lynch on you when our time comes if you keep going with this logic. How can you not get that this is criminal? This is the post you wanted me to see and comment on? facepalm Sigh. Steve I truly thought you were a better player than this ) : Scum know they can win certain cells over others. Thats not planning for an endgame because they literally dont know what the end game is (they cant be sure that theyll secure the order until they actually have) they merely know which cells to focus on. And you are telling me that you do know which cells are gonna be won? I don't get it, are you scumclaming? lmao No, I am telling you that I think Palmer and Rayn are scum, and if two of the best players are scum, the scum team will want to win those cells at any cost. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:14 GMT
#2091
On April 05 2014 04:04 Steveling wrote: I don't know about palmar but if you want to lynch me tomorrow, be my guests. Town will be most probably 1 point away from losing after that. I dont wanna lynch you Steve ) : your town, Rayn is scum, he is one of the best scum players on tl. Do you really think I'm scum Steve? Seriusly? I know your town, because if you were scum all you would have to do is call Rayn scum and your in the clear, the fact that you still suspect me proves to me your town and not just looking to survive. I KNOW your town now, so I know Rayn is scum, and Rayn's behaviur with sent and coag is not scum on scum. His behaviur twoards Palmer is. Open your eyes, lynch Palmer, kill me if it doesn't profit. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:48 GMT
#2095
On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote: On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote: On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote: I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced. Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter. Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yes please. ~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote: On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird..... not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question? ~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! Holy, do you see Rayn bieng as sympathetic yet resigned to lynch as he was to Coag if they were scum together? As for Sent, he does nothing to even remotely help him survive his cell and sent is a perfectly good ally / : so theres no reason to abandon him like Rayn did. He clearly favours Palmer, does that not mean anything? Is it that unlikely that they're both scum? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:49 GMT
#2097
On April 05 2014 04:49 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote: On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote: On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote: On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote: I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced. Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter. Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yes please. ~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote: On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird..... not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question? ~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! Holy, do you see Rayn bieng as sympathetic yet resigned to lynch as he was to Coag if they were scum together? As for Sent, he does nothing to even remotely help him survive his cell and sent is a perfectly good ally / : so theres no reason to abandon him like Rayn did. He clearly favours Palmer, does that not mean anything? Is it that unlikely that they're both scum? i know you're scum, rayn told me T_T | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 19:59 GMT
#2101
On April 05 2014 04:50 Holyflare wrote: gg =/ OK but you do at least see my point? If I am town, which I am(Rayns a phony!) it's far more likely Rayn is scum than Steve to me, and Rayn's interactions with Palmer are the only ones that seem Scum on scumish. Doth though agree? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:00 GMT
#2103
On April 05 2014 04:59 Steveling wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote: On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote: On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote: On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote: I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced. Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter. Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yes please. ~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote: On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird..... not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question? ~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! hahaha, lol gum, nice try mate, ))). But I am town mate ) : why go after Plamar if I'm scum? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#2106
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:06 GMT
#2107
On April 05 2014 05:01 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 04:59 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 04:50 Holyflare wrote: gg =/ OK but you do at least see my point? If I am town, which I am(Rayns a phony!) it's far more likely Rayn is scum than Steve to me, and Rayn's interactions with Palmer are the only ones that seem Scum on scumish. Doth though agree? umm he's not a phony he literally told me because he was mad at you so... whatever i'm just going to ignore your attempts If Rayn is actually town he doesnt know what I am / : only way he knows my alignment is if hes scum and then I cant be scum. Especially because he was null on me when he quit, how would he know what I am? Why put so much faith in a angry player who is clearly mad at me and shouldn't know my alignment? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:09 GMT
#2111
On April 05 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 05:03 gumshoe wrote: It is totally calculated Sent. 10000 PERCENT I am doing everything I can possibly imagine to get Palmer lynched. I am appealing to emotion, to reason, to ego. Because I want to lynch scum and I want to know if I was right. By everything you mean everything except call me mafia for anything I have posted myself. Hell, you haven't even considered the possibility that if rayn is mafia he might simply have been calling me town because he knows I tend to lynch people that call me scum. But that would obviously not fit your agenda, so let's just disregard it! Eh, I'll get to your actual filter eventually, theres alot to read there / : | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:19 GMT
#2120
On April 05 2014 05:11 Steveling wrote: I find it extremely hilarious that while sentinel was typing that post about gumshoe lying trying to manipulate situations, you did it again with this, lol Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote: On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote: On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote: On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote: I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced. Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter. Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yes please. ~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote: On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird..... not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question? ~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! Anyway present a case with solid points first, not " OMG X SHOULD BE TOWN, SO Y IS SCUM, SO LETS MISSLYNCH TO GET INFO FOR THE LATEGAME " . Ok Steve, well vote for who you want today : D if they are scum, you can lynch me whenever. This town is too dumb to hear me out and I'm too bad to convince them so lets just kill Coag because hes Coag, or murder Sent because his play is almost identical to yours (in the sense that he was catching up and wasn't totally confident, or that he was worried about his cell) | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:24 GMT
#2122
On April 05 2014 05:19 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 05:16 getmoript wrote: Rayn was not town. Move on. I already told you all why he wasn't. We should be focusing on why there are still a boatload of votes on Coag who clearly doesn't give a shit about this game and lacks the connections to actually be scum in this case. ~Cav What the fuck is this. YOU GUYS JUST MADE A CASE SAYING STEVE WAS SCUM!! They are different players 0_0 Holy answer this question. If Rayn is actually town he doesnt know what I am / : only way he knows my alignment is if hes scum and then I cant be scum. Especially because he was null on me when he quit, how would he know what I am? Why put so much faith in a angry player who is clearly mad at me and shouldn't know my alignment? Why cant Steve be scum, provided your not lying? Also wtf am I supposed to believe? Rayn didnt pm me with illegal information, so how is wierd for me to assume hes scum for scum claiming? Something you believed as well? | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:32 GMT
#2127
On April 05 2014 05:28 Steveling wrote: Hi, I see you are new in this thread. Steve, Rayn told Holy that I'm scum and thats why hes not listening to me. Do you know why this makes no sense? | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:34 GMT
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:39 GMT
#2134
On April 05 2014 05:34 Steveling wrote: This is not the first few hours of the game gumshoe, you are not making me do your work. For all I know you may by waiting for an answer to grab onto. Explain and if it makes sense, I'll listen. If Rayn pmed Holy that I am scum, it makes no sense, because if rayn is town, he doesnt know my alignment and at his time of leaving he was virtually null on me. If Rayn is scum and lying, then I cant be scum and it doesnt seem like something either of them would lie about if scum(holy cause it risks a modkill, rayn cause I dont think hes THAT mad at me) So one of us is scum : D | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:41 GMT
#2136
On April 05 2014 05:38 Steveling wrote: I find it particularly funny how you ignore today's cell just to make excuses for youself. You are lying : D | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:41 GMT
#2138
On April 05 2014 05:40 Steveling wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 05:39 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 05:34 Steveling wrote: This is not the first few hours of the game gumshoe, you are not making me do your work. For all I know you may by waiting for an answer to grab onto. Explain and if it makes sense, I'll listen. If Rayn pmed Holy that I am scum, Can you not get yourself modkilled tonight? Thanks. Im not the one who aired private info into the thread, just the one whose using it : P | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:43 GMT
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:45 GMT
#2145
On April 05 2014 05:43 Steveling wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2014 05:41 gumshoe wrote: On April 05 2014 05:38 Steveling wrote: I find it particularly funny how you ignore today's cell just to make excuses for youself. You are lying : D How so? And stop that other talk. 1: I have commented plenty on Palmer Coag and Sent, you people have turned that into I am scum, that is the only reason we are rehashing old arguments 2: It is in the thread now, if the host wants to stop the game cause it's ruined or something he can do that, if Holy admits he lying or some shit like that I'll take that into consideration, but I will not ignore info purely because it threatens scum :D | ||
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Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2014 20:46 GMT
#2147
On April 05 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote: ? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town How do you know his alignment? When did he tell you? | ||
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