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On April 06 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:36 getmoript wrote:
Hell did you see how many times his reads changed at the end. Like his first list of scumreads had both Ceph and me as scum. Like WTF. Then when you read that post it's even more full of total WTF. I don't think Sent is great as town, but I refuse to believe that he is that incapable or stupid as town. Like that's not in his game. Generally, when it comes between Dumb or Scum it's often more correct to assume the latter than the former. And everyone else had super tight reads? It was a desperate final struggle, where he worked against himself XD. Also, if he was scum, he was saved by 1 vote(also his vote was on him...)... you think rayn was town right? So 4 scum were already on the coag wagon? Or left him out to dry on that close a lynch? Cmon geript, its easier to believe one dude was incompetent town rather than a whole scum team was playing things that loose. Most likely possibility is that the scum had total freedom this lynch, because it was a vote between 2 townies / : which is why so many scummy people (mdern, prplz(OH SNAP)) were apathetic : D.
This is assuming mdern is actually scum.
Also, prp was anything but apathetic during that lynch.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:01 Steveling wrote:getript did you even read that Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:14 Steveling wrote:
HOLY CRAP I REALISED SOMETHING UPON READING THIS
Coag lost by 1 vote right?
But we all thought that sentinel was gonna get lynched because we thought my vote on him was legit. Turns out it was exactly on 00:00 so it wasn't.
AND HERE'S THE THING, SENTINEL VOTED ON HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS MAD FROM GETTING BUS'D!!!!
AND HE DID THAT BEFORE MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO WAY A SCUM WOULD DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO IF HES NOT SCUM AND COAG IS NOT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG PALMAR How do you explain his play as scum?
wifom
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On April 06 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:04 Alakaslam wrote:
Well
I don't think CEPHIRO is scum at all
Getmoript is unlikely but possible scum.
I am pretty sure purplhrz is scum
So
##Vote: prplhz Excuse me.
Palmer is dead. Rayn is effectively dead. Your vote belongs to me or else you're scum.
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On April 06 2014 10:01 Steveling wrote:getript did you even read that Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:14 Steveling wrote:
HOLY CRAP I REALISED SOMETHING UPON READING THIS
Coag lost by 1 vote right?
But we all thought that sentinel was gonna get lynched because we thought my vote on him was legit. Turns out it was exactly on 00:00 so it wasn't.
AND HERE'S THE THING, SENTINEL VOTED ON HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS MAD FROM GETTING BUS'D!!!!
AND HE DID THAT BEFORE MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO WAY A SCUM WOULD DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO IF HES NOT SCUM AND COAG IS NOT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG PALMAR How do you explain his play as scum?
I read it. The issue is that you're assuming that Palmar was scum based on a single piece of information. A votelist does not make Palmar scum by itself.
Here's an alternative interpretation: what if Palmar was actually obvious town that nobody voted for and that the entire scumteam piled on to Coag and lurked because of an easy lynch? Did you even notice what happened when Coag had like 9 votes on him? Almost everybody stopped playing at once. Even if Palmar was scum, Coag was still far and away an easier lynch than Sentinel. Nobody put up a fight until the lynch started to flip and I think that the difficulty of the lynch is actually particularly telling.
I think it was pretty clear that Coag was innocent (even if my reasoning at the time wasn't particularly great) but his votelist might actually be a super useful piece of information. There's a pretty big chance that a large portion of this game's scumteam was on Coag's wagon due to it being such a safe vote in the first place. Don't throw that kind of information away just because you assume Palmar was scum.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript?
The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote:
Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up?
G was the one making a case on Sentinel.
Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:14 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote:
meh
##Vote Coagulation He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav So why switch onto sent in the first place? Show nested quote +JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL
A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much.
This is actually good reasoning, I didn't see it that way.
Ultimately, this gives us even more reason to sit down and start interrogating prp for his motives behind his voteswitching. I like it.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:18 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:16 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote:
Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up? G was the one making a case on Sentinel. Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time. ~Cav What, are you kidding me? Man it's so obvious you are not reading the thread I want to punch my screen. Me and gumshoe both asked HF why he changed vote without providing a reason. He obviously took coag's word at face value. Then Palmar said " fuck it lets vote sentinel ", so literally he took HF's word on face value.
I'm going to reread and make sure this is what happened, we'll talk more at a different time.
As for right now, I'm about to go off and do something else for a while. So before I address prp and his wall-of-text, I'd like to ask him one more simple question:
Which one of us in this cell is scum, and why?
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Gumshoe, I love how I didn't actually ask you who the mafia was in this cell but you gave us a ton of useful information anyways.
Prp has yet to answer the question himself, even though he is clearly reading the thread.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:54 prplhz wrote:
What question?
Bottom of page 128.
Who is the mafia in our cell and why?
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:58 prplhz wrote:
Oh
Well my answer is that I don't really know. I was leaning you but after this flip it's become apparent that I need to reconsider my reads.
Okay, and what information did you obtain to back that up with?
~Cav
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We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.
We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.
(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset.  )
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now. (Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. ) ~Cav If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching. I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T
Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot.
Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 11:20 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now. (Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. ) ~Cav If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching. I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot. Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know. ~Cav
Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono
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Gumshoe I really don't get what you're doing. Like you're not making any sense; honestly I'm reconsidering the scum on Steveling because of it. I really liked prplhz big post.
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Palmer wasn't scum. Rayn wasn't scum. I'm not 100% about killing Ceph as I just woke up, but prplhz post was really really good. Honestly I think you're acting like an idiot right now. Steve is scum.
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On April 07 2014 05:16 gumshoe wrote:Geript please answer my question honestly. You know your capable of making mistakes some times ) : if you honestly cant wrap your head around what I'm saying, than I am pleading with you, just this once, sheep me? Why does Prplz suddenly think I'm town btw? When did that change? He went from this. Show nested quote +i'm talking about how it just seems like you thought "now i'm gonna go 100% bullshit mode and every time someone posts i'm going to make a reply where i say it implies whatever i think" and that's not something a townie does to this. with no reasoning in between... and he still thinks rayn is town? So was Rayn was wrong about me to? Open your eyes Geript this dude is just making shit up as he goes.
Look gumshoe. I feel like I've had a shitty day 1. But I've been willing to step back reread and look at why I think what I think. Your reasons for calling Palmer scum and Rayn scum are completely illogical and bad. Palmer only focusing on days 1-3 makes sense from both alignments; additionally pods 4 and 2 are the hardest to read far and away. They're all pretty low volume on top of that. On top of that, Sent's last sets of post practically claimed scum. Like Rayn wasn't scum; it's basic and obvious. I've already explained it. I'm willing to listen to actual non-associative arguments for prplhz being scum while I meta him and reread him. But these bad illogical arguments will get you no where with me.
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Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum.
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On April 07 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote:
Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort.
If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen.
As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads.
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