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On March 27 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:
why does marv have 5 pages of filter and 0 memorable content, whereas thrawn and phagga and gumshoe have 2 and have contributed a boatload more to the game?
Hey Robik i tell you something.
Forget about marv for now. He can appear useless for the first 40 hours if he chooses so. He will provide content when he thinks it needs to be provided and he'll have explanations for his actions. There is no way you can bully him into doing something you want by yelling him, voting for him, or by anything.
When he does his stuff if it's not reasonable then he might be mafia. Right now there is nothing mafia-esque in his play.
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On March 27 2014 03:10 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote:
okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again!
rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious). So do you think he is mafia or not for being annoying? If you think being annoying makes him mafia why didn't me being annoying make me mafia enough to vote for me? i don't think him being annoying points at him being mafia no
So do you think anyone is mafia and what exactly is your game plan to find mafia?
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On March 27 2014 03:42 gumshoe wrote:
In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD
Like this is the definition of thrawn's town play and everyone who has played against him knows this.
He always gets shot because he looks so town but also subdued enough for people to think he is blue. 
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So Palmar, the case on thrawn?
Also what are your thoughts on purplehaze?
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There is only a small part of my case that is meta. Did you even read it?
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Or rather, there are things that are scummy. Meta is a supporting argument because sometimes there are people who do scummy stuff (like Oats last game and in many games) as town and the meta argument is to prove thrawn is not one of those people.
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On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:My case on thrawn: Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". Obvious contradiction. On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.
Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain.Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the TLDR thrawn gives:
then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.
the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...
If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol
This is the TLDR of my case;
- thrawn does explain his thoughts clearly. after some time he whines about people not being transparent
- thrawn makes conclusions based on incomplete info *
- thrawn says stuff in his case that is not true and stuff he does not prove is true
* further elaboration on this:
- What a townie does is: "you say X. You are mafia because X does not make sense from town pov."
- What thrawn does is: "you say X, i assume your X in fact means Y. I don't care even if you tell me X is not Y but you are mafia because Y does not make sense from town pov".
Meta is only a supporting argument because thrawn does not do this stuff (which is already scummy on its own) as town.
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On March 27 2014 01:45 prplhz wrote:
I can absolutely see this better from Holyflare's side. IAmRobik's play is hard to understand (he even admits so himself?) and I don't know why raynpelikoneet can't understand that other people might have this problem with IAmRobik's play. I don't think I got anything out of it though because it was just a lot of text and mainly about what I think was a misunderstanding.
Can you explain how you come into this conclusion from reading the exchange between me/HF/thrawn? The bolded part was never an issue and i repeatedly explained to Holyflare what Robik said.
My issue was that Holyflare and thrawn were assuming my town read on Robik was based on something i never said. Neither of them did ask me about why i had a townread on Robik, even when i repeatedly told them they don't even know why i have a town read on him based on what they wrote.
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On March 27 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote:
Well meta is the part that makes you say with confidence he'd not do stuff like withhold reads or jump on cases as town.
Maybe you are just mafia because that is NOT what my case says.
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On March 27 2014 05:13 Palmar wrote:
And that is a great point, and unless I'm blind was not part of the case you told me to read.
In fact it is there but i agree not well enough explained.
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gumshoe - obviously town for the Palmar argument
robik - pretty obviously town
Holyflare - insane but most likely town
marvellosity - likely town, a lot depends on his play later on but nothing seems scummy to me
phagga - not sticking his neck out but atm i ahve no problem with him because he is on the right case
Palmar - i don't know what he is doing. could be mafia
prplhz - i have absolutely no idea what he is doing. likely mafia
thrawn2112 - mafia as per my case
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Where is your list Robik?
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On March 27 2014 06:06 prplhz wrote:
My list of games where raynpelikoneet thinks I'm scum: all of them
I dunno. Why should i think you are town?
You misrepresent the me/Holyflare argument.
You vote for Palmar for reasons i have no idea what they are and then you say you don't really even think Palmar is mafia.
Then you say you go afk and vote for marv but you don't think he is mafia.
Then you apparently have no scumreads and i see no intention of you trying to figure out who is mafia (like if you don't know who is scum you are supposed to find out by interacting with people).
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On March 27 2014 06:09 IAmRobik wrote:My list: Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:On March 27 2014 01:16 Palmar wrote:
Do you wanna talk because marv is an asshole Robik? I mean, I'm trying to keep up with two games right now -- didn't realize they'd start simultaneously. But yeah...I'm down to talk. I'm currently on pg 19 of this game. Is there anything that you think I should keep my eye out for. At this point in the thread, Thrawn is getting some pressure, and probably deservedly so. Having said that, I initially read Thrawn town because I thought he was just gonna vote outside of thread without giving any explanations in thread in order to see what people say and gauge reactions. Then he started on his Raynscapade and that felt off. I feel great about Rayn. I feel pretty god about HF. I don't feel so great about phagga (man this name is so inappropriate to say out loud) because it seems like he's just throwing in his opinion a sentence at a time here or there to softly push some random agendas and it doesn't seem like he's putting himself out there. I don't feel all that great about you, but I'm not sure. You're definitely playing on a different level than foundations. You seem to care a bit more and if I were to meta it based off of 1 game together, I'd say that's scummy for you cause you posted a bunch of nonsensical bullshit on d1 in foundations and were very wishy washy on everything. I don't have strong opinions about marv. From what I've heard of his town game, he's supposed to be top town TL, but not so great scum, and I haven't gotten that top town TL feel from him thus far....so maybe he's scum? That's where I'm at so far.
What's your read on prplhz?
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Also Robik, the game is 36 pages long.
Your reads are from page 19. Nothing has changed since then regarding your reads?
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On March 27 2014 06:16 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2014 06:06 prplhz wrote:
My list of games where raynpelikoneet thinks I'm scum: all of them I dunno. Why should i think you are town? You misrepresent the me/Holyflare argument. You vote for Palmar for reasons i have no idea what they are and then you say you don't really even think Palmar is mafia. Then you say you go afk and vote for marv but you don't think he is mafia. Then you apparently have no scumreads and i see no intention of you trying to figure out who is mafia (like if you don't know who is scum you are supposed to find out by interacting with people). "I dunno" what don't you know?
I don't know who you think is mafia and why which is the only thing i care about.
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On March 27 2014 06:18 prplhz wrote:
no i mean, what do you mean by "I dunno" in that post?
It means nothing specific.
I am asking you is there a reason i should think you are town?
What kinda retarded question is this?
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I don't know why i should think you are town.
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That's because every single game you decide to do shit andi have to guess if you are town or not.
Fucjk i really do hate playing with you because you are stubborn unhelpful asshote.
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Actually just fuck it.
See you in 24 hours or so.
Policy.
##unvote
##vote prplhz
I don't even give a fuck if he is mafia or not because if he is not he is still playing towards mafia win condition.
I am not going to post until one of us dies.
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