EPTI don't get that marv.
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raynpelikoneet
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I don't get that marv. | ||
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I think game is kinda easy because i don't really see anyone being mafia except for thrawn/Palmar/prplhz. Off chance for a couple of other players but chances are small, like 3%. | ||
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On March 26 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote: So you're pretty sure gumshoe is town now? I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. | ||
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No it's the way he was a stubborn bitch. + a bit of association theory regarding who was there at that time. | ||
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On March 26 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote: Ok. That's mainly the reason I was town on him after it died down and hopefully it should be obvious why I didn't want to "stop" whatever gumshoe was doing by wading in with a categorical opinion at the time. I'm not quite as certain as you are though :> Yes that's why i didn't confront you about you not giving a read on him. | ||
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Also note that i didn't explain my townread on Robik and that's the only thing i didn't explain, unless someone of course asked me to explain it. | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote: Well no, I tried to ask marv (who had at the time and still hasn't said anything worth mentioning) what he thought of holyflare. I thought HF's reactions, and how they evolved throughout your conversation are extremely difficult to fake as scum, I was actually ready to yell "RAYN MAFIA, BAD RAYN" until you actually explained why you had a townread on Robik. ie, I think you were a dick to holyflare and he responded very naturally. I wanted to know if marv had noticed the same thing, but by then he had clearly decided he wanted to call me mafia so it was a bit of a brick wall. I think you voted for me after that conversation. How does the bolded part make sense? | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote: okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again! rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious). So do you think he is mafia or not for being annoying? If you think being annoying makes him mafia why didn't me being annoying make me mafia enough to vote for me? | ||
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Holy, Rayn, why do you think sloppiness is indicative of Thrawns scum play? Can you provide examples where he takes insane leaps that make him look like scum? Here, read what i wrote on thrawn in the Extractor Mini mafia game. It's on my filter pages 3-4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:58 Palmar wrote: Even if you believe I actually wanted to lynch you, wouldn't policy lynches by definition be excluded from reads? Here is the problem. I don't think your vote was a joke, or was it? If your vote is not a joke and you were serious with your policy lynch reasoning, shouldn't you still be voting for me? I thought that's what policy lynches are about. Someone does something you find worth policy lynching and then it does not matter what anyone else does. Or was it "policy lynch until i find something else"? | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote: rayn, you've come back at a super annoying time, I have to leave shortly and it is my mum's birthday this evening so I'll be gone for some hours. Hopefully you'll be around later this evening/tonight instead. Oh yes i most likely will be around. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:09 Palmar wrote: I did not want to lynch you, the trap thing is a joke referring to a certain other game. Okay, fair enough. So what do you think about my case and Holyflare's case on thrawn? | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Obvious contradiction. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions. Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain. On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the TLDR thrawn gives: If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote: I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / : - I make a post. - thrawn asks me about the post. - I answer - thrawn votes for me. Later on he says "i initially voted for rayn because of the tone of his post". Him asking me a question and voting for me only after the answer does implicate his statement of the tone of the post is false. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote: Do you think marv's push against me is genuine? I don't know because i don't know what his push on you is. But he looks quite normal town!marv to me so my guess would be yes. Maybe we learn more when he tells us what his push is. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:32 gumshoe wrote: Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast? Basically every town game of his. | ||
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