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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 07:57 GMT
#314
On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare?


"thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise

so like i said, prove to me he is mafia

That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#315
I even said his linked shit has nothing to do with why i think he is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:04 GMT
#318
On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm

Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.

What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts".

Obvious contradiction.

On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.

Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.


Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:11 GMT
#323
On March 26 2014 17:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 16:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare?


"thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise

so like i said, prove to me he is mafia

That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.


and not it is not, i remembered correctly:

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.



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On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
phagga:

I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly

apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia

So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia.


WHY DO YOU LEAVE OUT THE INCOMPLETE INFORMATION PART? WHY HOLYFLARE?
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? OR MAFIA?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:13 GMT
#324
On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:
On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you

Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter.


then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...

"2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong."

-i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt

- "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense.

-this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment.

when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this"

so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum

but he says all those statements are real? lol

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:15 GMT
#325
Someone explain why thrawn's post is full of shit. You get +100 townie points.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:18 GMT
#328
On March 26 2014 17:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone explain why thrawn's post is full of shit. You get +100 townie points.


are you going to say about him voting you before that post because it isn't true

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? what....the....fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:20 GMT
#329
I think we need to policy lynch Holyflare for the sake of this game's sanity.
But only on D2, D1 we lynch mafia.
I am not sure if Holyflare is mafia (inb4 he claims "rayn knows i am town").
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:25 GMT
#334
marv please come here and stop Holyflare.
or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this.

like, how can someone twist everything so badly.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:30 GMT
#336
On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv please come here and stop Holyflare.
or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this.

like, how can someone twist everything so badly.


because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat

Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big.
You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:36 GMT
#339
On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv please come here and stop Holyflare.
or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this.

like, how can someone twist everything so badly.


because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat

Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big.
You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this.


you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post

I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:39 GMT
#340
On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
thrawn you mafia bro:

Show nested quote +
the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...


Rayns post is at 14:12
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 14:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: rayn


thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are


so his vote came after all of that

I don't get this. Can you elaborate more?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:45 GMT
#346
On March 26 2014 17:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv please come here and stop Holyflare.
or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this.

like, how can someone twist everything so badly.


because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat

Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big.
You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this.


you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post

I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit.


so then you keep doing something that is scummy and call me scummy for pointing that out...? you serious bro?

No i don't think anything i have done is scummy. I agree it's not as townie as it could be (regarding your play in case you are town) but then again i do not know if you are town or not. I also never lied, i never said anything i did not mean to say. I said i don't care about your read on me (based on bad stuff) and i asked you to stop. I also said what i think of your conclusions (robik didn't lie, your case on me was bad and invalid, case on Palmar was bad). That's not scummy. I simply refused to contribute more until i could gain more info on the events that were going on, which i think i clearly expressed.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:47 GMT
#351
EBWOP:
I mean, if i had a really strong townread on you i would have acted otherwise.
But i didn't, so this gave me the most information possible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 08:50 GMT
#356
On March 26 2014 17:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
thrawn you mafia bro:

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...


Rayns post is at 14:12
On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:


On March 26 2014 14:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: rayn


thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19

On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are


so his vote came after all of that

I don't get this. Can you elaborate more?


just tell me your reason that you posted a giant wall of ahahahaha's

this reason is that he said he "voted you for the tone of your post" regardless of any of the content, he did not vote until he had read the content and got you to expand on it so his initial "vote for the tone of your post" wasn't true and even if it was it would be a vote on nothing because you can't read tone without content

Yes in fact this is true. I didn't even look at when i answered his initial question.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 09:07 GMT
#373
Palmar you just need to vote for thrawn.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 09:11 GMT
#378
On March 26 2014 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar you just need to vote for thrawn.


still haven't heard why you wrote ahahaha

I'll be honest with you because you keep bringing this up again and again.
I don't need to convince anyone but marv because he is the one who will be listened to anyways.
So i am waiting for him to come here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 09:19 GMT
#380
On March 26 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar you just need to vote for thrawn.


still haven't heard why you wrote ahahaha

I'll be honest with you because you keep bringing this up again and again.
I don't need to convince anyone but marv because he is the one who will be listened to anyways.
So i am waiting for him to come here.


why not just post it so we can all read it...?

Because it doesn't mean shit. Why would i want to convince someone who is acting dumb and still has his vote on me despite agreeing with me on my lynch target? Or someone who has a case on me and who i think is mafia? The only people i can now convince are people who think i am mafia, and i don't give a fuck about people who think i am mafia. Noone else has said what they do think about my case so they don't need convincing (as they have not said they disagree).

I would rather convince other people, like marv who can sway every single vote.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 09:34 GMT
#383
Everything in thrawn's post just enforces my case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2014 09:42 GMT
#388
This is the TLDR thrawn gives:

then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...


If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice:

red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it
blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn.
green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did.
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