EPTOn March 27 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
and remember marv, I slow-cook my OMGUS
and remember marv, I slow-cook my OMGUS
no you don't. You really don't.
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no you don't. You really don't. | ||
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But who's my buddy? | ||
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I just want to be totally clear why you think I am mafia. | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:05 prplhz wrote: who on earth gives a fuck where a single vote is, not to mention that it is my vote do you really think that a completely random annoyed pprhlzp vote is going to ruin your wagon of righteousness anyway i'm going to be able to check the thread sporadically. i can operate a smartphone. it might not have first priority though when i'm in the dinosaur museum or touring the ep. IT IS MAJORITY LYNCH, YOUR VOTE IS IMPORTANT | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:12 Holyflare wrote: So words and votes are flying but i don't see anyone talkin about mafia. Palmar and prpl explain your shit. Why is everyone still ignoring thrawn? I don't really have much to say about thrawn until he comes and interacts with me some. I agree that what he's posted hasn't looked too swell. | ||
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I'm happy to talk about anything else in the meantime. | ||
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Hopefully you'll be around later this evening/tonight instead. | ||
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Need something to hold him to. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:39 Palmar wrote: You realize scummarv talks about things exactly the same way as town marv, the only difference is the quality of their contributions when they actually have something to add to the discussion? This is basically completely untrue | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey Robik i tell you something. Forget about marv for now. He can appear useless for the first 40 hours if he chooses so. He will provide content when he thinks it needs to be provided and he'll have explanations for his actions. There is no way you can bully him into doing something you want by yelling him, voting for him, or by anything. When he does his stuff if it's not reasonable then he might be mafia. Right now there is nothing mafia-esque in his play. Palmar, why does rayn get it and you don't? You've played with me like 15 times by now. | ||
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On March 27 2014 06:24 IAmRobik wrote: I got lazy and have been keeping up with the thread instead of catching up. I still haven't read 20-27/8. The other reads are up to date. They were posted on pg 29....they took what happened on pages 27/8 when I came back into the thread into account. Besides that, the past few pages are just people building post coutns and reiterating their opinions. Like...there's been so little new information presented. Tell me, how do you know there has been little information presented if you have not read 8 pages of content? | ||
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rayn: I have zero reason to think he's mafia atm. I've read his alignment literally 100% correctly in the last 6 months. Don't need reasons. IAmRobik: Actually maybe he's too high here as per my last post. Feels quite off that he would get lazy in a game. But meh, he's in 2 games. I basically agree with rayn's point about how he presented his rayn town-read. His weird language thing with Palmar. It's all pretty kooky but kooky in an interesting way at least. Not worried atm at least. Holyflare: Logical progression of thoughts, decent thrawn case I guess. Swore twice that I noticed in what I saw as natural situations. I can't be bothered to quote them but I could if I really searched. The net of it being it didn't feel forced like his emotion does as mafia sometimes. That'll do for him for today. gumshoe: Again similar to how rayn mentioned, stuck up for himself and persisted really stubbornly and unnecessarily if he was mafia. Trying to figure things out yo. phagga: Interchangeable with prplhz below tbh. phagga has never been a "big impact" player so the fact that he's trundling along doesn't worry me unduly, and nothing he's said has pinged me. Sensible enough observations, I remember him taking a decently clear stance on the rayn/holy thing (that he understood rayn but rayn was being antagonistic) prplhz: Looks like he's intentionally trying to be infuriating. Looks like he's trying to be casual. Too much? Like it's not that hard to give him a town read because he seems IDGAF, but it's almost to the point of negligence of playing the game properly at all. But there's two ppl scummier so by default that makes him town for the moment. thrawn: I mostly get the case against him. Although in some ways I don't get it. I find it quite hard to explain actually. Actually his return to the thread is dire. "woops i could have been lying but it turns out I wasn't" - what? If you're town you should know know know you're not lying? Also on his return has not tried to push anything forward, has not done anything else after that rayn debacle, has not renewed his read on rayn. I like him for mafia much more than I did before he posted a couple times last page or whenever it was. For balance, here's a couple of things that just made me think he was town due to flippancy or whatever you want to call it: On March 26 2014 15:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Rayn what's my shitlogic? I didn't even explain my vote or read on you until after you called me mafia What is this shitlogic you are talking about? please give quotes, and they have to come from before you decided I was mafia for being "dumb" for the story of your thrawn-read to make sense (there won't be any) On March 26 2014 15:54 thrawn2112 wrote: wtf are you talking about? you're just saying words do you really wanna stand by the statement that town thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions? Palmar: Well, firstly Robik made whatever his point was on Palmar, which I thought was a bit nonsense but as it was on Palmar it may be the greatest point ever. Holyflare summarised some decent points against Palmar also. So that's other stuff. Mainly Palmar is not playing the game at all. He has 6 pages of filter, but he's literally not playing. The big problem is that he is pretending to play. You'll find quotes littered from me across various games giving 3 scenarios for Palmar: 1) he tries hard and he is productive. He is town. 2) he blatantly doesn't give a shit and doesn't hide the fact he is not productive. He is town. 3) he looks like he's playing the game a bit but in reality is unproductive. He is mafia. What we have this game is scenario 3. Take the start of the game. rayn did some random townclaim that literally is not worth mentioning, and is also not really the type of thing that Palmar gives a fuck about. But Palmar asks him about previous games, but then "remembers" that he has townclaimed as town before and didn't do so as mafia. It's dead content, he could have just thought for 2 seconds and remembered this instead of bringing something irrelevant to the thread. If you recall, I asked for a clarification from Palmar earlier about what he remembered and what he looked up, because I wanted to know if he went away and found things that contradicted his "theory", or he in fact already knew them. And by and large he already knew them. Palmar asked me a really standard, flat question about how I viewed Holyflare, to see if I had been reading the thread attentively. That's literally not how you ever read me, and anyone who knows me passingly knows that. I will produce good content in my own time (or not), and I do not need to be "quizzed" on reading comprehension of the thread. It's just an empty way of looking like he's involved and caring about what's going on. But he doesn't. Palmar offers to speak to Robik about Robik's read on him - look, Palmar cares! But when Robik tries to open a dialogue with Palmar, repeatedly, he's not responded to. Palmar doesn't care. I say he doesn't because it's quite clear. His reads are all empty one liners, hiding behind a facade of joviality but he's literally not trying to move the game on. Speaking of his read on me, look how weak and spineless it is. I start calling him scum, and we get On March 26 2014 22:19 Palmar wrote: Are you scum marv? Fine, whatever. Kinda half-hearted but I guess any alignment can post this way. I basically continue because I'm pretty interested in *how* Palmar is going to omgus me (plus it's fun to antagonise Palmar a bit). I push Palmar on his read on me: On March 27 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote: and remember marv, I slow-cook my OMGUS I disagree with him, and say he doesn't, so: So he votes me. The point of all this is that Palmar is not leading the way in any of this. He half-heartedly calls me mafia when I start saying he's mafia, and he literally only votes for me when I tell him to. Palmar as town, if he's playing seriously, tries to genuinely find out what I'm doing, or he'll just full-blown omgus me. None of this in-the-middle, in-between-omgus-because-marv-told-me-to nonsense. Regarding gumshoe They had this thing at the beginning of the game. Kinda culminated in On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote: If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe Just as a brief recap into Palmar's usual modus operandi, he'll usually try to delve into someone's motives as much as he can, and when he's decided someone is mafia, they're gonna be mafia, he'll have some (a lot) of faith in his own read usually. Anyways so yeah, voting gumshoe. Shortly after in the conversation: On March 26 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote: which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that? And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question. Do I get to go home now officer? This bolded part (and also his general tone in his posts after he votes gumshoe, you can go check for yourselves) actually mostly seems to imply that gumshoe is in fact town, and Palmar is defending his stance against a town gumshoe. Not that gumshoe is mafia (supposedly) and twisting what Palmar is doing to a scummy narrative. Later on he decides: On March 26 2014 22:12 Palmar wrote: Because he was an asshole to me, I don't think scumshoe would be an asshole to me. Palmar has changed his opinion for no particular reason. It's weak, and it's weak reasoning, given what has come before. Some other thing of note: Town-Palmar almost never answers questions on alignment with a simple statement read like this. If he does so, it's in a jokey-trolly way, like "prplhz confirmed town hero" or "Holyflare is not my scumbuddy". Palmar is a massive proponent of always explaining why your read is what it is, but he neglects to do so until pushed. tldr: Palmar doesn't care about finding mafia, even though he kinda tries to make it look like he's interested. He has no real reads on anyone even though he's given superficial reads which require no thought. He's inconsistent in a spineless way re:gumshoe. His attitude towards me has been pretty spineless because frankly he doesn't know how to deal with me, whereas if he were town he'd smack me down rather than practically have me make him vote me. The dude is mafia. | ||
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I can bury you and get you lynched practically without question, and if you're town that's no good to me. Please don't ever tell me there's no reason for something I've done, because you don't know that. | ||
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last time he "didn't read his role PM" was Hero Mini Mafia, and in that game he genuinely tried, looked really town, and caught mafia. Here, all what I said in my case is still true regardless. We lynch Plamface. | ||
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