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On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm
Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.
What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts".
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To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.
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On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not
What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.
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Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.
There is a difference between meta and tone.
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On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not What does this have to do with anything i have said? I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way. so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc why?
Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn. 
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Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.
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On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.
There is a difference between meta and tone. i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?
Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone.
I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL).
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On March 26 2014 15:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not What does this have to do with anything i have said? I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way. so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc why? Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn. no this is you being full of shit
Trust me i am not. I guarantee you thrawn.
I also would like you to read my posts again and explain to me why i am full of shit. What does not add up?
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On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly
so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.
and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.
so what is going on? this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well
No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me.
Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.
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On March 26 2014 16:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions. this 1000x applies to you
That's not true Holyflare.
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On March 26 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly
so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.
and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.
so what is going on? this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me. Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote. and i do the same thing but you say i am town, you dismiss everything anyone says and don't even question your read on a player that you have seen play mafia 0 times
Again i am not saying you are town. What's up with this misrepresentation? Have i said somewhere i think you are town?
"I think Holyflare could do this as town" != "I think Holyflare is town".
I don't know if you can understand why i am townreading Robik or not but this is useless because i don't care if you think i can have a townread on him or not. I am confident on my read so unless you can prove he is mafia there is nothing to talk about it because i do not have to prove he is town.
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Holyflare staph. please just staph and sheep me to scumlynch.
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On March 26 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
no he lied and you said NOTHING about it you dismissed talking to me entirely, you said it was shit logic and you aggrevated me "to get reads on players" so no rayn, fucking explain why it is NOT A LIE
Robik has not lied about anything.
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He claims he knows my mafia play because he has seen it two times (and correctly called me out both of the times). Then he says he thinks i would put a smiley after my first post in case i was mafia and because i didn't to him it implicates i am town.
In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town.
Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia.
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On March 26 2014 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games.
Maybe you should check again because this is untrue.
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From GSL IV:
On February 13 2014 06:40 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote:
I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. I mean, I've never searched for a game thread to prove someone is maf/town, but when people have done it in the past, they've generally been town. Also, I might want to rescind my original comment of round being my top town. I said it because I thought that I remembered smiley faces and stuff being towny, but now that I think of it, it could be the exact opposite read. I don't remember anymore.
From Foundation:
On March 05 2014 03:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Let's talk about it after robik answers me okay? I think Dandel is town what do you think? What am I answering? I'm pretty sure I laid out why I thought Boone was scummy. Also, there is like a 70% chance you're scum this game rayn. It's quite sad. I was really hoping we'd both be town.
In both instances Robik calls me mafia because of a post i "incorrectly" used a smiley.
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On March 26 2014 16:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He claims he knows my mafia play because he has seen it two times (and correctly called me out both of the times). Then he says he thinks i would put a smiley after my first post in case i was mafia and because i didn't to him it implicates i am town.
In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town.
Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 14:43 IAmRobik wrote:On March 26 2014 14:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's townMafia Rayn would end this post with On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations. these 2 posts contain an absolute lie No they don't. Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct. You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn. Rayn did this in one game but isn't doing it here is the very definition of meta
The second quote is referring to this game and to another situation.
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lol maybe HF is mafia too. idk.
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For the last time, this is what Robik is saying:
"In last two games i have played with rayn he put a smiley on a place it did not belong in one of his first posts. Both times i called him out of it and i think that is indicative of him being mafia if he does so because he was mafia in those two games and that felt so off to me. In those games - at first - i was not 100% sure if he is mafia because of it but i now trust i can read him based on that (because i was right twice already).
In this game, if rayn was mafia, i think he would have put a smiley after his first post of the game. He didn't, so i think it's indicative of him being town. He hasn't put a smiley in places they "do not belong" after that, and nothing in his posts seems scummy, so that strengthens my read. In fact, the post he used a smiley in this game i think the smiley belonged there and it was not forced (which is the scumtell i recognize from earlier games with him)."
Now why is this simple logic so fucking hard to understand?
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I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare?
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