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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:35 GMT
#110
On March 26 2014 09:21 Palmar wrote:
This is where we disagree. Read the initial question again, it says "why robik over anyone else". Because I am not rayn I assumed that was actually what he was asking, ie, for you to explain why you hadn't picked me, or marv, or someone else, and I couldn't think of a response that would make your seemingly random choice any scummier or townier.

I did not consider that rayn was fishing for the nature of your reaction.

The whole point of the question was it was a loaded one, which gave gumshoe an "out" which was not really an out but a bait instead - in case he got scared.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:40 GMT
#114
I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me.

gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:41 GMT
#116
On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
[...]
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If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.


He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:43 GMT
#119
Like the same thing as my question to you:
"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one."

Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:46 GMT
#123
On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
[...]
If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.


He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy".


He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.

Can you point out where he says this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:49 GMT
#128
On March 26 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine?


I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons

1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question.

2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer.

3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant.


If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes.

##Vote gumshoe

Looks like you made a case on yourself and then voted someone else, Palmar. Tsk.

marv why this crappycrap?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:51 GMT
#129
On March 26 2014 09:49 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
[...]
If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.


He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy".


He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.

Can you point out where he says this?


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The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.

Okay so we obviously disagree about the meaning of that post. I think i am right given Palmar's earlier posts which point towards me being right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:52 GMT
#132
Do you think gumshoe is mafia?
Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 00:59 GMT
#137
On March 26 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 26 2014 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think gumshoe is mafia?
Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear?

I have to assume this is directed at me, but nowhere did I indicate I did not understand Palmar's post. Read again.

meh okay, you're just weird.
but do you think gumshoe is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 01:09 GMT
#140
Palmar must be the most trapped person in mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 01:34 GMT
#149
gumshoe, here is how i see it:
On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:
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On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me.

Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try.

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me.

Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try.

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.


Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment?

If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.

On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.

Let me make myself Palmar for a second:
"I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question.

Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely?

I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 01:42 GMT
#151
Why do you leave out the post where he contributes to my answer?
There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 01:49 GMT
#153
I give up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 04:59 GMT
#182
Hi guys i have a funny game gimme a sec
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:12 GMT
#186
This is a game of two truths and i lie. In this post there is going to be one lie. You need to guess where:

1) I started using the smiley only lately, some moths or maybe half a year ago because i like how it looks. I don't remember who used it in mafia games (maybe it was marv?) but anyways someone did and i think the colored smiley it gives looks cute. Therefore i have almost abandoned every other smiley, while i normally prefer ^^ , ^_^ , or :D . I absolutely hate XD smiley because when i played brood war a lot in battle.net when someone used XD you could tell they were Spanish. I hated Spanish kids in brood war. They thought everyone can speak español and they ended every single thing they said with XD or XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD. Only thing they could say in English was "ally end" when they were about lo lose and i was about to ruin their precious stats. I refused to understand English at that point and started talking in Finnish. Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable.

2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong.

3) I think this is absolutely the worst post in thread:
On March 26 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:
So why do you not mention that rayn is super town based on x, y, z but instead mention that you read him as town from an alignment null post? Were you lying?

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:14 GMT
#189
oops that's supposed to say "two truths and one lie".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:14 GMT
#190
On March 26 2014 14:14 Holyflare wrote:
point 3 is obviously a lie

incorrect.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:14 GMT
#191
On March 26 2014 14:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn do you think you look townie?

yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:16 GMT
#193
On March 26 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
why?

because i have found many townies.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 05:19 GMT
#198
On March 26 2014 14:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 14:14 Holyflare wrote:
point 3 is obviously a lie

incorrect.


well then you are bad because he said you looked town for a "town claim" that wasn't a town claim inherently and then when i said it was null he said "he looks town for other reasons too" so either in the first instance he was lying or the second instance he was lying

so no rayn, why are you being so bad?


point 2 has to be the lie then

That's not what he said. You are interpreting the post in a way it's not meant. That's absolutely not what Robik says.

2 is incorrect too.
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