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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 26 2014 03:56 GMT
#161
Dude, you're just talking semantics. I don't have a fuck about that. If you want to push on people who aren't posting a lot, then go ahead and do you. You don't have to set that shit up with a post about how you want to go on quiet people. That's the part that I don't fucking get. Like, if you want someone to post so that you get an opinion of them that's fine...pressure them. You can't just say "oh, i'm going to policy lynch all lurkers." That's a scummy as thing to say and do. I don't care if it's in mafia's favor to be quiet (which it probably is).

I guess what I'm saying is "do, don't say."

And yeah, I think you're scummy for saying that and not doing it.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
March 26 2014 04:01 GMT
#162
I'm actually going to agree with Robik. Why would you even bother talking about policy lynching when we're barely one step out of RVS?

Now that I think about it, I'm gonna go check our last game to see if OK did the same weird shit he's doing right now.
Spectaticle
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 26 2014 04:02 GMT
#163
I don't see any problem with onceking talking about policy. The thread before he came in was all empty and fluff with people talking about hearthstone and whatnot. He pushed the conversation to something that has some relevance to the game. Sure, talking about policy is a good way for scum to 'contribute' without actually doing much, but it's still better than talking about hearthstone.
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
March 26 2014 04:03 GMT
#164
Cavalinho, what do you think of the fact that Robik seems to have an awful lot of reads so quickly?
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
March 26 2014 04:05 GMT
#165
On March 26 2014 13:03 OnceKing wrote:
Cavalinho, what do you think of the fact that Robik seems to have an awful lot of reads so quickly?


I'll answer your question when you answer mine.
Spectaticle
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
March 26 2014 04:08 GMT
#166
I talked about policy to bring us out of RVS. Your turn. What do you think of the fact that Robik seems to have so many reads so quickly?
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 26 2014 04:08 GMT
#167
I also don't see why you think Val is town just because he asked onceking to clarify his shit. It was a pretty useless question, it's easy to understand what onceking wanted to achieve with that post - create the atmosphere that no one can lurk and has to post.

But instead all he does is make a rather long post asking about potential situations blabla... When I think that it's pretty clear - if we have a solid read we lynch it, if not we lynch a lurker. Seems like he's trying to be helpful without actually being helpful.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 26 2014 04:09 GMT
#168
If I'm missing something please explain why you think that someone bringing something up to get town to actually discuss something instead of talking fluff = scum. And why asking dumb questions = town.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
March 26 2014 04:12 GMT
#169
On March 26 2014 13:08 OnceKing wrote:
I talked about policy to bring us out of RVS. Your turn. What do you think of the fact that Robik seems to have so many reads so quickly?


He has outed two reads. I think that hardly constitutes "many reads."

They sound somewhat stretched, but I don't think I'm ready to commit to interrogating anyone on that line of thinking when we have several players that haven't even posted yet.
Spectaticle
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
March 26 2014 04:12 GMT
#170
Oh and here's another fun question for you Cav:
Why do you need me to answer your question in order to answer mine? Are we playing truth or dare (without dare)? Are you trying to get out of answering questions until later?
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
March 26 2014 04:13 GMT
#171
On March 26 2014 13:09 Pixalated wrote:
If I'm missing something please explain why you think that someone bringing something up to get town to actually discuss something instead of talking fluff = scum. And why asking dumb questions = town.


Because it didn't actually look or seem like he was doing that.
Spectaticle
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
March 26 2014 04:14 GMT
#172
On March 26 2014 13:12 OnceKing wrote:
Oh and here's another fun question for you Cav:
Why do you need me to answer your question in order to answer mine? Are we playing truth or dare (without dare)? Are you trying to get out of answering questions until later?


No, I simply felt like you were dodging the question.
Spectaticle
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
March 26 2014 04:22 GMT
#173
If that's the case, why did you insist that I answer first? You could have answered my question and then asked your question again, as I did. Robik gave three very quick reads off of only a few posts. Let's break it down:

sqrt - jokes and one liners during RVS. Lots of 'em. Made no posts afterwards, yet. Mysteriously Robik's got a town read off of that.
Valenius - qualification of what I mean when I talk about policy. Robik town reads it, slightly.
me - brings game out of RVS and now we're actually talking about things. Robik thinks I'm scummy.

##VOTE: IAmRobik
Want to explain this, Robik? You seem to think you know an awful lot.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 26 2014 04:26 GMT
#174
On March 26 2014 13:09 Pixalated wrote:
If I'm missing something please explain why you think that someone bringing something up to get town to actually discuss something instead of talking fluff = scum. And why asking dumb questions = town.

Because there's a way that I perceive town approaching a situation or scenario and a way mafia would. I think that valenius's post was in a manner that town would phrase it. Thus a town read on him.

OK just posted a generalized statement about lynching UTRs. While the strategy is sound, it's more of a town play to just vote on someone who hasn't posted a lot or someone that hasn't posted thus FORCING them to come and be active.

Having said that, I'm sick and tired of talking about the semantics of it. I want to hear people's reads. I want people to put pressure on others.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 26 2014 04:29 GMT
#175
On March 26 2014 13:22 OnceKing wrote:
If that's the case, why did you insist that I answer first? You could have answered my question and then asked your question again, as I did. Robik gave three very quick reads off of only a few posts. Let's break it down:

sqrt - jokes and one liners during RVS. Lots of 'em. Made no posts afterwards, yet. Mysteriously Robik's got a town read off of that.
Valenius - qualification of what I mean when I talk about policy. Robik town reads it, slightly.
me - brings game out of RVS and now we're actually talking about things. Robik thinks I'm scummy.

##VOTE: IAmRobik
Want to explain this, Robik? You seem to think you know an awful lot.

I give reads off of minute things I pick up. I don't hold back my reads. I'll clear someone for the most minuscule detail. That's what I do. If that's your reason for voting me that's idiotic. How about you actually give some reads instead of contributing some random nonsense. kthxbye
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 26 2014 04:31 GMT
#176
RE: Sqrt

In what world does a mafia come into the game and start talking to himself for 10 posts? Mafia has all the reason in the world to sit back and not do shit and contribute when something is happening and then push some random town who is on the chopping blocks. I don't give a damn if it was 10 posts of filler about how he's doing today and how his HS run was going.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 26 2014 04:32 GMT
#177
Will placing a vote on a random lurker do anything? One vote at this point means nothing, not to mention that many probably didn't have an opportunity to come into the thread yet.

Also what does utr mean?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 26 2014 04:36 GMT
#178
If a random lurker is mafia, maybe his teammate will tell him. IDK. It's infinitely more productive than saying "hey, let's lynch all lurkers" cause it doesn't put any pressure on anyone specific.


UTR = under the radar = lurking
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
March 26 2014 04:36 GMT
#179
Pixalated, you seem to like my points an awful lot. But that's the only thing you seem to be commenting on. What do you make of Robik's interactions with everyone else?
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 26 2014 04:39 GMT
#180
##VOTE IAmRobik

On March 26 2014 12:14 IAmRobik wrote:
end of page 6:
Sqrt is town. He's talking to himself. It's very nonchalant. I like it.

On March 26 2014 12:16 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 09:01 Valenius wrote:
Can you expand on that a little bit OK, just so i've got it clear?

Are you talking policy lynch inactives? They'll be hit by a modkill.
Are you talking policy lynch lurkers regardless of any other factors? What if 7/9 of us were set on a certain player as being mafia, would you still try to push the policy lynch?
Are you talking about policy lynch lurkers when we have no other reads? I agree with this one.

Sleep for me anyway, see you guys tomorrow.

I like this post a lot. Valenius is both interrogating OK and giving answers simultaneously about what reads like genuine beliefs. Town lean.

Both of these posts are terrible. Talking to oneself as a joke at game start literally doesn't mean anything about alignment at all. And while it's good that Valenius is asking questions to clarify what OnceKing meant -- perhaps even town-leaning -- there are no "genuine beliefs" stated in this post except to policy lynch inactives in absence of reads, which again doesn't say anything about alignment.

Furthermore what is actually wrong about what OnceKing is doing? He said he would preferentially lynch lurkers, everything else being the same, and he's trying to convince you guys to do it as well. That's not a mafia trait. It's probably null; leans very slight town for actually trying to get people to go with him, but I wouldn't clear him off of it.

On March 26 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote:
And yeah, I think you're scummy for saying that and not doing it.

And yet he's not voting for OnceKing. Guess what? I think you're scummy for saying that and not doing it.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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