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Eden1892
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On March 28 2014 05:45 Cavalinho wrote: Except he just challenged you. Stop ignoring people. OK, now you're just being intentionally obtuse. Well, correction, you have been the whole time, but now it's plain as day. | ||
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Eden1892
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re: challenging, it has nothing to do with alignment and everything to do with personality. Roland is a more detached, analytical player. sqrt is kinda involved but not really. I press people hard, I hammer weaknesses that I see, my style is built on knocking people off their script and seeing who they really are. You're a loud, headstrong, involved, engaging type, like I am. That's hard to replicate as scum, especially when there are people like you in the game, because it's difficult to push them when your own heart isn't really in it. It's all personalities and if I were in your shoes, I'd do the same thing. Ain't nothin' far out about this. You've got, oh, 3 more days after the lynch to convince me you're town, you've got plenty of time so stop sweating it out so much. I'm afraid you protest a little much, hon. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 28 2014 05:53 Cavalinho wrote: You're a stupid, shit awful player. I'm a parity cop. I believe this /s | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 28 2014 06:06 IAmRobik wrote: I refuse to talk about this claim other than that we're not lynching him. It should be blatantly obvious why talking about the claim is really fucking bad. ...no? We're lynching Cavalinho. That's plain fact looking at the votes right now. The only wrong answer here is refusing to answer. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 28 2014 06:09 Cavalinho wrote: Eden, we're going to talk after this game. Bring ear muffs. I don't get it, am I supposed to be intimidated by this or otherwise hesitant to move my vote? | ||
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Eden1892
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Robik, you're completely wrong about why we should/shouldn't lynch the cop claim. It's not possible for a parity cop claim to work itself out in a game with nine people. For one, the mafia don't really have the same incentive to shoot them immediately like they do for a regular cop. It takes two good scans in a row and a timely death to get a confirmed mafia result, and two scans to get anything to use in the first place. In a nine-person game we're at LYLO by the time we have anything to use, with no way to confirm the cop is legit. For two, there's a 50% chance in any given iteration of this game that there even is a cop, so waiting for a counterclaim that's equally likely to be impossible as not isn't going to work. The mafia are strongly incentivized not to confirm the cop for us, and there's no reason to believe or disbelieve a cop claim in that situation. I therefore went with my scum read and pursued the lynch. That was the rational play and I make no apologies for it. | ||
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Eden1892
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So in absence of that I'm returning to my previous behavioral analysis. I think he's mafia. This clears Tolkien and Pixalated to me because there's no reason why mafia!Robik would push mafia!Tolkien or mafia!Pixalated over town!Cavalinho that hard, imo. I'm also pretty confident about OnceKing and Jarvis being town. The final mafia there would be sqrt or Valenius, and my bet would be Valenius simply because I don't think mafia!Robik would just town clear sqrt for nothing *and* that sqrt would call it out and demand he revise his read. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 28 2014 07:27 IAmRobik wrote: Are you actually mafia? Like you're legitimately twisting things around to fit whatever agenda you're trying to push with regards to me. Explain to me how going from On March 28 2014 02:53 IAmRobik wrote: I think you are town and I think you're playing well. to On March 28 2014 06:59 IAmRobik wrote: Anyway. this is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad. I almost want to policy lynch Eden for this shit and like seriously. Eden. Go back to whatever shithole mafia site you came from cause you don't deserve to ever play another game with me again. because I started disagreeing with you is at all town behavior. If that's not what you're referencing, then explain how I'm twisting anything around, because that's the only part that's remotely contentious about what I said. I said your actions re: the cop claimant are null and they aren't a factor in my read, so there's no twisting of that set of actions going on, and everything else is derivative from my scumread on you. | ||
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Eden1892
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It's obvious what's really motivating him here. He's mafia, and caught, and doing everything he can to discredit me. | ||
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Eden1892
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My turn! sqrt, if you were a compulsive vig, who dies tonight based on what you know right now? | ||
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Eden1892
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Robik needs to step back and reread with a cool head because his posts don't make a bit of sense -- I can't even respond to his last tirade of invective because he makes a bunch of assertions about me that aren't at all backed by anything that's actually happened. | ||
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Eden1892
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- First real post has LT as top scum read and Valenius as scum partner (reads Valenius neutral on his own merits but thinks if LT is scum Valenius is scum), OR Cav and someone else he misread; also says Pixalated is a blue role (why would you point this out?) - Next post he explicitly says "I think LT is more suspicious and I want him to explain"... but he never follows up on this - Votes Cavalinho for giving reads and avoiding a question (Cavalinho wasn't asked a question) - Disagrees with Robik's case on Pixalated, is suspicious of Robik townclearing him - Asserts that Cavalinho not answering a question in a timely fashion is "really scummy" (?) - Tells Robik to stop townreading him (?????), Robik refuses - Asks "who are we lynching today? I say Cav" then does nothing to push the Cav lynch - Useless filler comment about the cop ("The question is, do we believe the cop claim or not? It's doubtful, but possible.") - Says he would shoot Valenius or LT - Another useless filler comment about mafia knowing format I don't like this at all. He says that Tolkien is his top suspect from the moment he starts making serious contributions, and he clearly maintains Tolkien as his top scum read until now, since he just told me he would shoot Tolkien. But he never does anything in the interim to make a case for Tolkien and spends more time harassing Cavalinho about irrelevant nonsense than he does pursuing his scum read on Tolkien. And then once Cavalinho was squarely the lynch candidate for the day (i.e. with a few hours to go), sqrt asks who's being lynched, then does nothing to push the lynch he says he wants. None of his actions are lining up with his words. I also think his Valenius read isn't very good, he keeps saying he reads Valenius "neutral" (said so in his first real post and then says later that Valenius hasn't done anything to change that), then he has Valenius as Tolkien's scum partner and would shoot Valenius or Tolkien tonight if he were vigilante. | ||
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Eden1892
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- Valenius was pushing on sqrt throughout yesterday and into tonight here. No reason at all for mafia to bus like that this early. Valenius is clear. - Tolkien and sqrt went back-and-forth a little too much for me to say they're a plausible scumteam. Tolkien is clear. - Roland is clear by... just read his ISO, if I have to explain this after that I dunno what to tell ya. He's been hovering a little around sqrt as scum as well so that helps. - I'm obviously town. That leaves one of Pixalated, Robik, or OnceKing as the partner. - Pixalated made a couple of offhand comments about "not liking" sqrt but never really placed a definite read down on him. Having reread Robik's case on Pixalated, I think Robik focused (in the structure of his post) on the wrong things about Pixalated that make him scummy, and I didn't do due diligence in reading Pixalated's posts and just kinda wrote him off because the case against him didn't stick with me. Robik's "Conclusions" section is salient here, especially with Pixalated's actions afterward: his votes (on Cavalinho and Valenius) don't match up with his talking (where he's mainly pressuring Tolkien) and are blatantly sheeped off of others' cases (me for Cavalinho, OnceKing for Valenius, and his suspicion of Tolkien was basically what I was saying as well). - Robik clearing sqrt based on opening posts and doubling down on that read later still doesn't make any sense, but I can't make any sense of 90% of what Robik's done this game, so I'm not going to worry about it for the moment. I still have some pretty strong misgivings about how he's playing this game, but I can't justify enough of those misgivings as being alignment-indicative to call him scum. - OnceKing generally seems town to me, but I have no clue how he came to the conclusions he did regarding Valenius or sqrt. I'm going the opposite way on both: Valenius has been doing his due diligence, reporting back on things he said he would, following up on questions he asks, putting pressure on his suspects and generally playing genuinely. sqrt hasn't contributed anything helpful all game and has a lot of filler nonsense early and late in the phase. I don't see how he townread sqrt for his unexplained vote on Cavalinho and I don't see how he scumread Valenius for not understanding it. It's not at all implausible that OnceKing is sqrt's partner and chainsawed Valenius to get the pressure off. OnceKing: why did you townread sqrt for his vote on Cavalinho, do you still scumread Valenius and why or why not? Right now sqrt is my main mafia read, Pixalated makes the most sense as his partner. OnceKing and Robik are both slightly fishy to me, but their play so far has made me more willing to cut them some slack and show me they're town instead of outright accusing them. | ||
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