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OnceKing
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If it's true that as you write, you're "willing to reevaluate everyone" then what's wrong with evaluating people now and then reevaluating after someone dies (or doesn't)? I don't understand why everyone is being such a complete pussy about talking in the night. "B-b-but I m-might get shot and d-d-d-d-die!" Yeah you might get shot and die anyway, doesn't mean you shouldn't contribute or stop being a good townie out of fear of being NKd. On March 28 2014 21:06 Eden1892 wrote: OnceKing: why did you townread sqrt for his vote on Cavalinho, do you still scumread Valenius and why or why not? First I'm going to answer the implied question: no, I don't have a town read on sqrt. I said that his vote on Cav is very townie. It was simple, short and to the point. He voted Cav when he did literally nothing but quote your big post and say "I'll answer in a bit, have some work to do and will get back to you." Isn't this very straightforward of sqrt? He wasn't even sheeping anyone, he has the first post after and immediately said what was on his mind. Yes I still find Valenius scummy for the same reasons I said before. I'm totally willing to believe that he only looks through the filter to make a case. That's also a terrible way to make a case because it takes all the posts out of context. | ||
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OnceKing
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Pixalated even asked him to establish his innocence before he got lynched and all he said was "Hopefully" On March 28 2014 01:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Here's what I think is really strange. I haven't been posting much, I haven't been acting towny, and yet Robik and Eden have a town read on me. Eden says it's because his scumreads have been after me, but Robik's town read on me is because of early game joke posts. That's strange. I consider people who don't think I'm scum pretty scummy right now. sqrt - Here in this post you scum read Robik pretty clearly but I'm getting mixed signals as towards your feelings towards Eden. In one sentence you suggest he's scummy but just two sentences prior you justify Eden's town read on you. Tell me, what do you think of Eden? | ||
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On March 29 2014 07:06 Valenius wrote: So. Sqrt: Why have you been playing like you have? You've been very unhelpful with.. anything. Pixalated: You've sheeped onto OnceKing's case on me, and when OnceKing looked at his own case he realised it was shit. Did you truly believe in his case? Why? OnceKing: I'm still confused as to how you thought your case was good in the first place. You've looked over me again and realised i wasn't saying wrong stuff about sqrt.. what was with your original case? I'm backing off on my read on you. I have you town and I believe your statement that you just went through sqrt's filter in isolation. Was it silly of you to miss the context? Yes, but I definitely agree with the direction you had on sqrt. The problem with you originally was not that you were saying wrong stuff, it was that you were saying the same stuff I said earlier but fluffily. It's very easy for scum to look like they're contributing by just rehashing old analysis which is what I thought of you. However here's how I consider it: 1. Given your unprecedented attack on sqrt, you're probably not both scum. 2. Both of you were scummy enough so that I believe one of you to be scum. 3. Sqrt is scummier, so I definitely think it's him. ##VOTE: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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OnceKing
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you just wavered between me being solid town and not being solid town like three times | ||
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OnceKing
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so lt if sqrt's super scum why haven't you voted him | ||
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On March 30 2014 02:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: RolandJarvis is mafia. This post is the main reason I think he is. This is after Cav claimed cop. RJ knows it's the truth, and tries to get people to switch over so that cop dies. Scum play I don't follow this. If he's scum, shouldn't he want to lynch the cop? Also, what do you make of the vote counts? I have yet to see anyone other than me post a vote analysis and I want to see what someone else can glean from them. | ||
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Yes or no? | ||
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OnceKing
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This is stupid, I don't know why these guys are afk but at least sqrt's trying. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: RolandJarvis | ||
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##VOTE: Pixalated I'll take the Thunderdome. Better than this inactivity. To everyone else: I really dislike this lynch. He's back and at least talking if not trying to figure things out. If Robik and him have it out tomorrow, then we'll have a lot to discuss and gain a lot of useful information. If they don't, then we still learn a lot through the way they're interacting. Pixalated hasn't posted at all today, and even in general only posts when someone calls his name. | ||
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OnceKing
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Reads atm Towniest of towns tier OnceKing Probably town tier RJ LT Valenius Sketchy tier Robik Scum tier sqrt | ||
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OnceKing
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sqrt has made a large number of questionable posts this game. Let's examine his posts after the short-lived joke phase. Here is sqrt's first large post. Unfortunately over half of this post is actually just quoting LT, and as noted previously by both Valenius and myself he makes no original contribution in it. Of further interest, however, are the several inconsistencies in this post. In the initial overview, he writes... Val hasn't been doing much, other than questioning the lurker policy, (kind of like me) so no read on him. But then he goes and says this: He demotes Val to leaning town. Maybe he now realizes that he was too obvious in pushing Val for town. If he's mafia, Val's also mafia. He also makes a scumtrap that's horribly planned out. Top mafia in my eyes. How can Valenius be a null read if he and LT are scum partners, and LT is top scum? It doesn't make sense. After that he continues to parrot things that were already said before. Later on in response to some questions I ask him he makes this post. Notice how he completely avoids taking sides on Valenius's reads other than the one on him -- here it seems he's very carefully trying to avoid attention or disagreeing with anyone, except for the "obvious" one to say that he's town. The parroting continues: here observing something Eden, Robik and I already said; here he says something that I stated previously, and even here I directly ask him if he's got anything of his own to add he blatantly says "Other than the ones already mentioned, no." as if to insist those are his own. Furthermore he keeps talking about town power roles, trying to fish for a doctor claim. Upon realizing that there's a cop he also says that he's been roleblocked knowing full well that especially with the cop dead there's no way we can verify the existence of either a medic or a roleblocker, and repeatedly subtly nudging discussion towards setup. Here's another example: On March 31 2014 07:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, time to start analyzing. This next night kill is crucial for mafia. Who could it be? Who does it make sense for mafia to kill? Coming into D2, I thought that the next obvious choice is Robik. But the problem is, he hasn't posted a whole lot lately. I'm inclined to believe the birthday party excuse for Robik because he's in another game, and he hasn't posted lately on that game either. Anyways, back to the night kill. Who do you think looks the most like the doctor currently? Who does the mafia think is the doctor? Will they even go for the doctor? Or will they go for the top contributing town? What's the point of all these questions? Do they even serve a purpose towards clearing up the picture? (spoiler: answer is no). He's just asking questions to ask questions. On day 2 here are his opening posts: On March 30 2014 10:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Wait a second, wait a second. Robik is usually very loud and active. Right now, he's not. Suspicious. On March 31 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I'm gonna go for RJ. #Vote RolandJarvis So Robik's suspicious, but he votes for RJ without explanation? He only posts again at the end of day to hop onto Pixalated instead, and then has this piece of gold: On March 31 2014 07:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, this makes me look bad, doesn't it? Here sqrt demonstrates a concern about what people think of him or how what he posts looks. Let's consider a townie's perspective: he wants to get his point across no matter what and push for what he thinks, regardless of how unpopular the opinion is. Therefore he's not worried about blending in, or if things make him look bad because he posts with the conviction of being correct. On the other hand a mafia member's posting is much more fearful. He doesn't want to say things that too many people disagree with because then people will start asking questions and pressuring him, and the last thing he wants is to have to deal with pressure. He is overly concerned with his appearance, wanting to stay on everyone's good side so that he doesn't get lynched. And he doesn't want to add new information to the town because every piece of the puzzle town finds is a step closer to his death. Which does sqrt's posting sound like? Which is sqrt's alignment? sqrtofneg1 must be scum. | ||
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OnceKing
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##VOTE: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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OnceKing
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No I'm not doc. | ||
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