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OnceKing
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Wanna explain this LT? | ||
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On March 27 2014 04:42 Eden1892 wrote: Who is your partner and why is it Lord Tolkein? You're my partner because you're Lord Tolkien! | ||
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OnceKing
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Sqrt, do you have any original reads to contribute? Your list of reads is just a massive rephrase of everything that has been said by others -- Robik and Eden have voiced all your concerns about LT, and your town read on Robik even copies what I said about him town reading you for many joke posts at the beginning. | ||
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1) How do you feel about Valenius now? 2) How do you feel about Valenius's reads? | ||
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OnceKing
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Valenius - you haven't casted a vote yet. Why are you not voting for Cavalinho? Robik - you've been one of the most vocal players today and yet you haven't put your name down anywhere. If you were to choose someone by yourself to get lynched right now, who would it be? | ||
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OnceKing
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The Cavalinho wagon is huge. I would think that the mafia would offer more resistance if one of their own were on the chopping block so early, so I'm inclined to back off of him right now. | ||
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##VOTE: Lord Tolkien. Come make me move it. | ||
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On March 27 2014 06:28 IAmRobik wrote: LT cause I don't like him and i still don't trust you as far as I can spit (which is part of the reason I put out that statement about not liking how many people were pushing on Cavalinho). Like, I don't know what type of hardon Eden has for you but all I see is you asking questions and giving no opinions of your own. He probably sees a sexy and insightful individual. *shrug* I ask a lot of questions because I like to clarify people's positions on things. I like to clarify positions on things because then I can find inconsistencies, such as this: your vote isn't on LT despite how much you don't like him. You waiting on him to defend himself or what? | ||
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OnceKing
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I believe the point being that you pulled in the trap so soon after you set it, which is an unreasonably short amount of time. Who's gonna ever fall for it so quickly? That's got nothing to do with the other time differences like the 3 1/2 hours w/ Valenius, Robik's 15 minutes to me and yet you're comparing it for some unknown reason. | ||
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He basically typed a bunch of nonsense in response to point 5, then when I called him on it he said "oh I must have been low on sleep". So no real response there and he wasn't low on sleep when he responded to the point so what he's saying really doesn't make sense. | ||
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OnceKing
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Initially I thought he was quantifying some valid concerns about my "Lynch all Lurkers" policy. However on closer inspection the question he asked me was really pointless -- it was a closed question with an obvious answer he even implied in his post. Everything else is more or less fine until he makes his big post here of reads, except all he really did with it was make a glorified summary of what's happened in the game so far and echoed popular opinions. Let's break it down: OnceKing's initial policy post has come under some flak, seemingly because people don't see the point of it. In my view, it's setting out early what will happen if the day phase goes to shit and it's as split as the last two games. The last two games have been horrific day one's, with a spread vote count across all of the players and as is rightly pointed out by Robik a few pages on; We need to consolidate votes to stop that situation happening again. If it got to a split vote situation, it's much easier for mafia to be the one's controlling who's voted off the first day, either through sheeping onto votes or even just sitting back if town is heading wrong. In theory, in a split situation moving across onto a lurker, or non-contributer would help town in 1) more contribution and 2) lack of split votes. Nexxxt: His earlier vote on Robik seems like just pushing to me, there's not much behind it and robik's too strong to feel flustered by that shit. Words, words, words. And really what does this entire paragraph give us? "Robik's right, we should consolidate our votes". And even though he says that he doesn't want to give the mafia control of the votes, he still refused to vote for a long time until someone else had voted for his target (sqrt, who LT voted for). Why do this if you're so suspicious of him? He was even Valenius's top scum read later in the post: Quick totem pole. top doesn't mean i think he's confirmed scum, just highest on my list as it stands. Sqrt Cavalinho Pixelated Lord Tolkien OnceKing Robik Idk where roland / eden fit into that yet. He posts another massive spiel on Lord Tolkien that boils down to "what he did was bad" and yet mysteriously has no read on him. Robik gets the same treatment as I did: Valenius parrots the consensus in the thread about these players that Robik's being pushy and town. Now here's an important part: Sqrt. -snip- "Robik's playing aggressive, as he normally does. He's been pressuring pretty much everybody, as a town should do. The one thing that I don't like is that he got a town read on my on joke posts before the game. that's strange. I read town." It's not a strange read at all, it's pretty much in line with everything else that's been said about lurkers and mafia. It's also another one of those circular fucking logic's.. "If i post lots at the start, it'll make me not look like mafia, but then they might think that, so what if i dont post, but then that makes me more of a lurker, so i'll post..etc etc..". It's a decent read in a newbie game, but if you have any idea what you're doing it's not a unthinkable play for you to make. More than anything, you're jumping on with other people's reads without giving reasoning other than agreeing with their posts. Give some actual thought out reasons. For now, you're towards the top of my scummy totem pole. "Comes in, makes reads, avoids question. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cavalinho" In that one post by Cavalinho, he's provided 5x much more than you have so far. Here Valenius criticizes Sqrt's assessment of Robik by saying that it's not a strange read at all but then ends up contradicting it and saying the opposite as well as introduce doubt into it by saying it's WIFOM (which is quite a stretch!). Then, irony of ironies, he attacks Sqrt for not saying original things with something I already said! And finally, I disagree very much with his implication that the Sqrt post he quotes is scummy -- I actually read it incredibly town. He cites his reason for suspicion as a lack of contribution but in fact Sqrt's post is very concise and clear, providing a huge amount of information about his motivations. Then he refuses to vote for a while on the grounds that his vote would be wasteful which is wrong again. Votes are the town's most powerful tool and indicate purpose. Valenius proceeds to try to nudge people into voting for Sqrt again and after one person does so he finally feels safe to act upon what he was saying the whole time and put down a vote. Altogether Valenius's filter smacks of fear and unwillingness to stick his head out. Valenius is scum. ##UNVOTE VOTE: Valenius -- Other comments: LT - I'm not done with you yet. You've basically just admitted that you're not being helpful at all towards the town by saying you have no idea what you were writing, then upon saying that you still didn't write anything. My analysis of Valenius has him over you but at this point I certainly don't mind you getting lynched either. Robik - vote?? | ||
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On March 28 2014 03:11 RolandJarvis wrote: By the time Valenius wrote this everybody had cleared eden. I think if he was scum making up reads he'd just join the party calling eden town. But if he's town and hasn't done the iso yet he can't. I'm not feeling a Valenius vote today. Actually I disagree. The list is basically a fancy way to avoid saying what he thinks of Eden and you. Not to mention that he said he'd get back to Eden and he didn't. | ||
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Also, I may have been unclear. The post of sqrt's that I think is very clear and concise is this one: On March 27 2014 03:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Comes in, makes reads, avoids question. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cavalinho For some reason you had an issue with this post and used it to imply sqrt to be scummy when I think this post is very townie. | ||
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We can't afford to sit around and lynch whoever Cav points at while not even knowing if he's really the cop -- in fact we don't even know if there IS a cop in this setup. Keeping the claim around also results in ridiculous amounts of WIFOM about the night actions, and the case on Cav is fine. If Cav really is the cop then we learn about the setup, if he isn't then he was lying and we've killed scum. ##UNVOTE VOTE: Cavalinho | ||
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sqrtofneg1 (1) - Valenius Cavalinho (5) - Eden1892, RolandJarvis, Pixalated, OnceKing, sqrtofneg1, Eden1892, OnceKing, Lord Tolkien Lord Tolkien (2) - Eden1892, OnceKing, Cavalinho, IAmRobik Valenius (1) - OnceKing, Pixalated Vote Count 30 Min Before Lynch sqrtofneg1 (2) - Lord Tolkien, Valenius Cavalinho (3) - RolandJarvis, sqrtofneg1, Eden1892 Lord Tolkien (2) - Cavalinho, IAmRobik Valenius (2) - OnceKing, Pixalated LT swapped late so I'm leaning more town on him. Not a lot to be gleaned from outliers here as everyone seemed to push their cases a decent amount. Pixalated - Why weren't you around for deadline? I also never caught your reason for voting Valenius. | ||
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On March 28 2014 08:30 Pixalated wrote: ... @Onceking, wasn't around as lynch was 6am for me, and i had a long day yesterday and was really tired, and had school today as well. Slept through alarm. Wanted to wait for val to respond to your case actually, but decided to just go sleep. Ah. I'm sorry, I didn't notice that you're from Singapore. | ||
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On March 28 2014 09:08 IAmRobik wrote: LOL. I CAME AFTER YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING FUCKING NONSENSE AND BECAUSE YOU WERE THE ONE WHO PUSHED THE HARDEST TO GET CAVALINHO LYNCHED AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH YOUR OWN FUCKING AGENDA WITH REGARDS TO ME. YOU KEEP ALTERING YOUR REASONING FOR WHY I'M MAFIA AND YOU'RE DOING IT TO PUSH A MISLYNCH ON ME. FUCK THAT SHIT. THAT DOESN'T FUCKING FLY IN MY HOUSE! You need to stop typing in caps. Nobody is going to read what you post if it's just a stream of caps lock and obscenities. A couple questions for you two and sqrt: Robik - What agenda is Eden pushing on you? Cite examples. Eden - Cav flipped town. Assuming Robik is scum, who is his partner? sqrt - Why Val or LT? | ||
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