Regardless of the setup you always lynch D1 survivor claims on D1. Always.
They are anti-town, they turn against town when it's beneficial to them and if you lynch town on D1 you are in a horrible spot because you can't lynch the survivor any more. Also the survivor could be mafia. It's not so hard ffs. One of the easiest best lynches ever... I really don't believe i have to argue about this over and over again.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 18:38 GMT

#494

There is one person who can meta me and they are not in this game so your question is useless poofer.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 18:47 GMT

#498

Tehpoofter so your argument is "let's try to lynch mafia on D1 and lynch the third faction on D2". In your opinion, does this give better chances of lynching mafia than "let's lynch the third faction on D1 and lynch mafia on D2 ->"?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:00 GMT

#503

On March 31 2014 03:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
@rayn I think lynching mafia on day 1 is far superior to lynching a third party survivor (this is assuming his claim is real)

If we had 1-2 mafia today that can convert or something we could have 2-3 tomorrow imagine if we his like a mafia converting role or a 3rd party anti town converting role tonight instead of some survivor that can still be town sided. How is that not better?

The point is unless you are certain you can lynch mafia every day you HAVE to lynch Slam one day. Just because the closer to LYLO it gets the more mafia he becomes even if he is survivor. Also the longer the game goes the LESS POSSIBILITIES we have to actually lynch him, just because at some point there will be a point where you can't just lynch the survivor claim unless you think they are mafia because if you do you lose! With this playerbase i am not sure i or the town in general, especially after night kills, can lynch mafia every day, that's my honest opinion

Now if you have to lynch the survivor claim, the best play is to lynch the survivor claim on D1. Just because you have way better chances to lynch mafia on D2 than D1, based purely on the fact that you have 120 hours instead of 48 to find the first mafia. Basic logic. You have also night actions on N1 that might reveal something. You have also a GUARANTEED NON-TOWN D1 lynch. The survivor claim might even be mafia.

This has nothing to do with scumhunting. You just default your votes on Slam and play normally. Instead of having a 48h day we have a 120h day. People who stop playing because "lynch is already decided" are likely mafia because just because a lynch is "decided" does not mean you should stop playing until you see the results.

Sucks for Slam if he is survivor but he fucked up. The best play is to put votes on him, ignore him and focus on other stuff. we have a 120h D1. If someone claims scum or something we can always switch our votes.Easy, and definitely the best play.

Now this is the last time i explain this. Hope people understand.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:06 GMT

#505

Okay Djodref is town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:15 GMT

#514

On March 31 2014 04:11 Tehpoofter wrote:
@rayn if mafia knows there is no way they're being lynched today then what incentive do they have to pressure or defend? Like the threat of getting lynched is what mafia most has to worry about. Giving them a free ride for a day lets them sit back and not doing anything. We fundamentally disagree but the fact you're so passionate about it makes me lesson my scum read a bit on you. If I unvote you can we start trying to find who might be mafia nad then argue about what day to lynch them?

This is one thing you can determine people's alignments from. Who is willing to do shit when they are not under pressure and who is not.

It's like, do people scumhunt during the night? Of course they do. Because not being able to lynch someone is not a reason to stop. If mafia is going to use that as an excuse i can see through that. It's not all about pressure and defending, in fact there are much better ways to find mafia than pressure, people are more likely to slip when they are not under pressure.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:17 GMT

#516

And yes i am trying to find mafia lla the time.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:27 GMT

#526

On March 31 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote:

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Find me a mafia (and you can't choose yourself I already called dibs on that read)

One of Vivax / Hopeless i just don't know which one. I doubt both of them are scum.
Also i have one another hunch but i need to wait a bit for that to form better.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:43 GMT

#534

The irony is you are attacking townies so maybe you should just stop. All your arguments are "they try to lynch me boohoo". Well maybe you should have thought twice before claiming survivor.. There is a part of that post that pretty much proves Djodref is town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:44 GMT

#535

On March 31 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:

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This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game.

It's more like scum not hiving a vote is a disaster for mafia team.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 19:58 GMT

#542

Amiko have you anything to say about people who might be mafia who are not Slam? Like all you've done so far is defending me, talking about mechanics and talking about Slam. None of those things are interesting.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 20:15 GMT

#546

Less setup, more reads. Djodref is totes town! Who disagrees?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 20:19 GMT

#548

Amiko why is the Vivax' post you pointed out fine?
I agree the second post is really bad. Like there is nothing it can possibly achieve as town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 20:31 GMT

#550

Dude what does it matter? He is either survivor or has a survivor fakeclaim.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

March 30 2014 20:36 GMT

#552

Ehh.. his read on Slam is not town. No way. That's why the question "Slam will you flip town" is another useless filler post. If Hopeless, at that point, says he had a read that Slam might be town he can get lynched because he is just lying.

The problem with Vivax' post is that he is not giving any conclusions. He asks Hopeless to explain something. What if Hopeless says "yeah it's a joke"? Well in that case Vivax just gave Hopeless an out (even if Hopeless at that time didn't mean it as a joke). That's why non-obvious joking in games is terrible. As mafia you get to have a BS read or if people don't believe you you can say "oh but it was just a joke". bad.