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kitaman27
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On April 01 2014 05:00 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game! The game is called -- "The OP says everyone can get fake claims!"
Okay, begin the game.
LOOK WE ALL WIN BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET FAKE CLAIMS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD EVER BE RELEVANT FOR SLAM TO CLAIM A POSSIBLY MADE UP ROLE ON D1 BECAUSE IT LEADS US NOWHERE AND IT IS NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, SCUMHUNTING.
You don't know whether slam is a 3P or not. If he claims, you don't know whether that's truthful or not. Congratulations, you now have one uncertainty stacked on another! This is...not useful?
Suppose slam is a survivor, has a role that we could force him to use in a pro-town or a role that can be confirmed, you don't care what he says?
We don't need to believe him. If he lies, then he lies. If he is truthful, then we get to pick how he uses his role in exchange for his survival, rather than having a neutral player choose to use their role to their personal benefit. In PTP, I was forced to roleclaim as survivor and town eventually lynched it for me because I was shooting townies left and right. Remember?
To be honest, I'd even be interested in hearing a fake claim to give us a better idea of potential roles in the setup.
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On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink.
The Master loves to shrink his targets without actually killing them! :o
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kitaman27
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On April 01 2014 05:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink. The Master loves to shrink his targets without actually killing them! :o
"As its name suggested, the TCE killed by drastically compressing the bodies of its targets to the point where life functions ceased. The Master liked to leave the shrunken doll-like corpses of his victims as a calling-card for the Doctor to discover. "
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kitaman27
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lol assuming that austin and thrawn move their vote shortly, it's 6-6. We must put our faith in gumshoe.
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kitaman27
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You have the votes to save yourself and you're going the martyr route?
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You guys are aware that gumshoe hasn't voted right?
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heh mafia must be having a jolly good time in their qt.
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kitaman27
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On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently.
@kitaman27 I would especially like to hear from you, not just because of you and rayn in the whole 1v1 thing (though that is important) but also because you mentioned it as consistent with rayn's play when you were making your case.
I wouldn't be in favor of a mass claim in a recruiter setup on night one.
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kitaman27
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On April 01 2014 06:24 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently.
@kitaman27 I would especially like to hear from you, not just because of you and rayn in the whole 1v1 thing (though that is important) but also because you mentioned it as consistent with rayn's play when you were making your case. I wouldn't be in favor of a mass claim in a recruiter setup on night one.
Or day two.
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kitaman27
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On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:Questions for Kita Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 31 2014 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who is supposed to be good at this game you say a lot of stupid stuff kita. Hey, I'm not the guy pushing a mass claim in a recruiter setup. On a side note, it's quite possible that mafia numbers are going to be nerfed on day one if there is a alignment changing mechanic. We could very well be dealing with 1-2 at the start. why do you think this?
Scum numbers need to be balanced. If you start with the max scum numbers for a 14 player setup and then add a changing alignment mechanic on top of it your would need to compensate somehow. Having a scum - > town conversation makes no sense since they would simply post the scum list, so a nerfed starting number makes the most sense.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Why is the boldified relevant?
Was trying to show my mindset as mafia, but it probably makes more sense to me than anyone else. Wasn't really necessary I suppose.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Yes, though I don't recall him ever going after myself actually. The fact that he was willing to call me 100% confirmed mafia I found incredibly scummy because he essentially took that stance based on my post on him. I can't imagine myself ever acting like he did as town, but I guess he runs hotter. When I posted my case on him, I gave him several opportunities to justify his scum read on myself and essentially he gave a "I don't care"/"I'm too lazy" response even though he suggested that I was mafia several times. That didn't sit well with me so I went after him and he blew up.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
I wrote about hopeless because I wanted to look at a few other people before deciding that he was my preferred lynch. At the point where I wrote the rayn case, I hadn't looked at anyone else with much depth yet. I did explain in my post why I felt rayn was a better lynch due to admitting the weakness of the case based on the few quotes I picked out and that his relationship with rayn was based on post-flip analysis. I was making assumptions about his alignment based on rayn flipping a certain way, which wasn't what I wanted to base a day one lynch on. The biggest point against hope was that he seemed to suggest that he wanted to follow through with the 1:1 trade if rayn flipped town, even though he seemed to agree with my case and had not mentioned any suspicion of myself prior to rayn suggesting the deal.
I'll likely be spending more time reading than posting this night cycle, but I may pop in from time to time.
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kitaman27
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austin, did you care if rayn died? I know you said you thought poofter was your preferred lynch and I know you thought that the rayn was sending you town signals, but did it matter to you if he got lynched? When the player that you thought was town claimed a strong power role, rather than responding "omg guys we need to move votes off him now", you were like "oh didn't someone mention conversion at some point?"
On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote:
p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative
On April 01 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
gumshoe has done nothing but make useless posts.
On April 01 2014 04:49 austinmcc wrote:
I would rather lynch gumshoe than slam, yes.
When slam unvoted ten minutes before the lynch, with kush, hope, amiko and myself there are only four votes on rayn.
At this point, you can either place the fourth vote on slam, which would become five after thrawn posting his intentions or you can become the second vote on gumshoe, eventually to be joined by poofter or thrawn. Yet you didn't move your vote.
Questions:
1) Did you prefer a rayn or slam lynch?
2) Why didn't you move your vote to gumshoe?
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kitaman27
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austin, just so I can get a good picture of things, up to how close to the lynch were you around?
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On April 02 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.
raynpelikoneet (6) - kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko
Alakaslam (3) -JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax
kitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112
So the votes looked something like this when you left. Lets assume that rayn and slam are acting logically and would vote for any scenario that would save themselves. Toad claimed that his vote doesn't count so I'll ignore it.
Essentially for gumshoe to be lynched, he needs six votes because of critical mass. That means jarjar, djo, and vivax would need to move in the last 7 minutes, which seems possible, but difficult to pull off if they aren't present. slam would need to move from rayn to gumshoe and then one (or two depending on the slam votes) individuals that mentioned that they preferred rayn would need to move. I suppose poofter was the most likely since he did with seconds left, but he was your strong read so I'm not sure why you would expect that.
Did you really expect a gumshoe lynch without your vote or was it more an issue that you were busy and didn't think things through (which I'm not faulting you for, I just want to know which one is it)
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kitaman27
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If you had to choose, who would be your top two scum preferences right now?
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kitaman27
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I'm looking at some combination of vivax, djo and hopeless at the moment.
I've been running into a lot of town reads myself. At least if the mafia pulls off a conversation, it might be easier to find mafia! XD
austin, do you think toad's "foolishness" read was simply an attempt to throw us off early? Does his no vote mechanic seem like a way to make up for the mafia conversion balance wise or does it seem more like a town role to you?
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kitaman27
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You're still in the djo is townie boat?
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kitaman27
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Try reading it from the "if I were a townie djo or if I were a mafia djo how would I post?" perspective and let me know which makes more sense to you.
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