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On April 04 2014 05:56 kitaman27 wrote: I don't think it does, I personally find Vivax townie for other reasons, blah blah. Those that unvoted Vivax do need to explain though.Wait, so how does Vivax targeting austin make him town? ALSO I SHOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY ILL EFFECTS I SUFFERED LAST NIGHT/TODAY. AS BEST I CAN TELL, NOTHING NEGATIVE HAS HAPPENED TO ME, I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVERTED, I'M ALIVE, ETC. ETC. | ||
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This is kind of what I'm talking about. Even if you're not reading, you just reveal a role name, hide information, get lots of votes, and do nothing. It's not just inactivity. | ||
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- make everyone take stances on some people, we all need a few townreads and scumreads. Someone pointed out earlier that this was good because then folks have a hard time post-conversion. We're two days in, buncha dead people we don't want dead, we NEED people to make reads because then we can laugh at them when/if they get converted and we can murder their faces. Their red, red silver faces. - sorry toad - I'm serious about some kind of cyberman alert thing IF we have an inventor. I don't expect this to be a no-KP game, given we had a medic, but protection is good and stopping conversions is good. - we should look for awkward phrasing from people D1 on slam. It's a minor thing, but scum would KNOW he wasn't scum, and was likely 3P (or town, hi austinmcc). They may have overly used 3P language, undersold the chance he was scum. It's NOT A MAJOR THING AND IT'S NOT CONCLUSIVE, but there's a chance someone looks particularly odd. - Djo seems more townie because of the first popcorn. This is stupid, but I continue to find him townie. | ||
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On April 04 2014 06:25 Amiko wrote: It's cool. I'm just one person in this game, and for whatever reason I just kind of want you to post more freely. Usually I can get people to post freely with me, but with others is fine. Your filter always LOOKS townie to me, and then just feels a little off, a little mechanical. Lots of questions, answers, larger and constructed posts, but less little reactions and un-thought-out stuff.ugh. I'm a little demoralized. I agree with Austin, I think we should get reads out pre-conversions. @austinmcc- I know it's lame to move away from thread now, but my plan was to stay in thread until lynch then give what time I could to the Catastrophe game. But, you mentioned in the last few pages you wanted to talk more flippantly and less constructed with me, and I can try to do that tonight (~5hrs). The less you think when posting, the more likely it is that you slip up when mafia, and I would prefer to catch you if you're mafia. So thinking less and posting more freely makes you much much townier (for me) if you still look about the same. We'll touch base another time. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:12 kushm4sta wrote: Yeah. There are some posts like an hour before lynch that say why, but I like the way he pursued hopeless earlier today, and then ... there was something else. His reaction to Gumshoe's claim and that whole situation.austin you have a townread on vivax? I've not been overly scummy on him, but those push him far towards town for me. | ||
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That seems kinda rough for scum, they can't really stop people claiming and confirming themselves if none of those are scum or not actually in the game. I dunno, it's not lynchable, but Toad dying if Dudeman Tyler died, and nobody dying with Toad, might mean that the guy is a fakeclaim or a scum role. Difficult to go for alignments based purely on names/flavor, because we're clearly not located within a single episode, and so we don't know if some Doctor-y characters have been made scum for this. | ||
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My reads on first glance look like myself, vivax, djodref, and poofter are highly unlikely to be or have been mafia. They are removed from my list. My list becomes: Kita Hopeless Thrawn JJD Kush Amiko as possibilities. For being scum from D1 or converted or whatever. Begin transmission: Thrawn Thrawn CONTINUES to feel like a super strong possibility of a conversion. D1 he's very active, about 2/3 or so of his posts are D1/N1, he's relatively active and posty and has reads and whatnot. Going INTO D2, he's townie on Toad and unknown on Vivax, wants to talk to Vivax more. He thinks maybe scum was on Rayn D1, or maybe Vivax, and he thinks some of the rayn voters are town, so his pool is kinda small. Great. Lovely. Again, thrawn ends N1 thinking toad is town, hopeless is town, some other rayn voters likely town, and he wants to talk with Vivax and Kush and check some other rayn voters. That's his D2 entrance mindset. Come D2, he talks with Vivax a little. DURING that chat, it SEEMS like he should be coming out scummier on Vivax: On April 02 2014 19:48 thrawn2112 wrote: (1) Vivax has conflicting reasons, can't keep story straight. (2) poofter has valid concerns about Vivax being scummy supporting rayn lynch, pushing rayn, not voting for rayn. (3) thrawn thinks vivax is misrepresenting poofter's suspicions, being defensive in the wrong way.now I think that conflicts with the reasons you mentioned earlier. I think what tehpoofter brought up was actually a valid point, that you gave support to the rayn lynch while not actually voting for rayn in the end so as not to take the blame for the lynch. "push rayn, but lynch slam... safe scum play" is what i think he's getting at. you say that one of your main problems with tehpoofter's case against you is that you think he's taking advantage of your low post count, and that is definitely NOT what's going on. so i see here that you're being defensive about your low post count (which was a reason you got lynched as mafia last game) and you are completely misprepresenting the reasons tehpoofter has for voting for you. any comments? thrawn PROBABLY should be concluding that this guy who might be scum and he wanted to talk to is now scummy. Yes? Inconsistent stories, scummy D1 lynch conduct, a defense relying on misrepresentation, none of these make you townie on someone. See other posts like On April 02 2014 20:02 thrawn2112 wrote: they wouldn't have needed to vote rayn to secure the rayn lynch. that's what tehpoofter is saying! for example, you supported the rayn lynch during the day, but you managed have your vote end up elsewhere while still accomplishing lynching rayn! and it APPEARS that thrawn is ... not pleased with vivax? Fast forward a moment. On April 03 2014 06:37 thrawn2112 wrote: i'll join your wagon djodref. toad doesn't get to use his no-voting power as an excuse to not play On April 03 2014 11:49 thrawn2112 wrote: hey austin. i think we are lynching toad today. how do you feel about that? On April 03 2014 18:07 thrawn2112 wrote: wtf toad. every one of your posts u are like.... "only dumbasses who havn't read the thread could think i'm maifa or maybe they are mafia... but oh wait guys i haven't read the thread" so how could you know that reading the thread would confirm you as town if you haven't read the thread? do you know that gumshoe is confirmed medic and he saved amiko? so you you are not as confirmed as you would have us believe. On April 04 2014 04:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm here, agree with not lynching vivax Zip zop zoop. At least for me, I don't see how thrawn goes from D1 to D2. Toad continues to do exactly what he was doing, which is REASON to get scummier on him. But if you're townie on toad D1 for his actions, and he just does nothing, then that looks bad but now you're probably weak townie/null on toad? He's worried about vivax, talks to vivax and APPEARS to find vivax scummy, but doesn't want to vote vivax. I think thrawn can be a solid player. I think if someone has a magical check to determine if someone is converted, mafia, whatever, he's a decent option. He feels unlikely to have been scum from D1, but again, as I keep hinting at, somewhat likely to have been the conversion. The number of posts go down, which isn't ultra scummy, the reads kind of don't quite follow, which he needs to explain some more. When D2 lynch really heats up and people are claiming and we're trying to determine who to lynch and all that yumminess, thrawn seems to be around. He's down to lynch kita or toad. He sees kita's reasons for lynching vivax, but kinda...misrepresents them, doesn't appear to understand what kita is saying when other people do. Remember this? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2014 04:51 thrawn2112 wrote: that is so bad. he is scum for changing his mind? But again, within the last 30-40 minutes, he has POSTS. He's around. He doesn't do anything with claims, give thoughts on hopeless/vivax/JJD, just cool with lynching Toad and Kita. It doesn't feel QUITE RIGHT. Thrawn is A CONCERN for me. Not uberscum, not likely to be scum from start, just...A CONCERN. Should I meet with an unfortunate end, he should be A CONCERN for you too (if you're town, I think). For anyone who reads this and goes, oh wow, thrawn kind of CONCERNS me, I'm interested in your thoughts on thrawn and specifically:
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From other themed games, and being scum in themed games, I think one of the benefits of massclaiming is being able to DIRECT actions. If we all want to claim, we should consider claiming BEFORE resolution, so as to try and get people to prove themselves/not do scummy stuff by directing their actions. However, because of the lack of notifications, that's not as useful as in some other games. Normally it's nice to know if someone actually got roleblocked, or JKed, or whatever, because the target can confirm the action. Here we lack a lot of confirmation tools and so I don't think that's relevant and guess it's not important to time things so that we can direct actions. | ||
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This is MEGA MEGA MEGA MEGA MEGA UBER TOWNIE in my mind. Anyone who wants to time travel back to D1 and shoot Amiko is 100% mafia. On April 02 2014 07:50 Amiko wrote: This is also crazy crazy townie. There was some discussion of not nuking, but this is a really important thought. Going "I have a nuke now" in a game that has at least SOME conversion mechanics is a questionable choice. Convert the nuke guy, use the nuke, and town has to spend a day (probably) lynching the converted bro.Fire ze missiles? I don’t feel too strongly about whether you nuke slam or someone else today. However, my preference is absolutely that you use the nuke today because if you hold onto it you are at the very least a tempting conversion/kill target (if you are not scum/3p already). You ... time walk town. You waste a whole day, getting a townie killed and just losing a conversion. Like those trains of thought, and since that's a super townie line of thinking on D2, amiko wholly off my list. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote: Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town? | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:07 Vivax wrote: I'll look back for it. Somewhere in my filter there's at least one major post on it.Austin how do you townread poofter? Would be nice if I could get him off the list of suspects. I was scummy on him D1, but the way in which he talked N1 and specifically an argument he made about how I was likely town, and he was asking people about my suspicions on him because he knew my suspicions were town on town and wanted to see if any scum would jump on them. That one post of his really brought me around, although he'd been looking townier as he responded and we chatted. If I was to check him for scumdiddlyumptiousness, it would be a possible conversion, but I liked his N1/earlyD2 stuff enough to drop my read. Also, I often super overvalue things that I shouldn't, or read them the wrong way. At least, other players would say this. I'm very very confident in the way I see things and then sometimes it's wrong but oh well. So feel free to disagree. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: We don't actually know WHAT this setup is exactly.@People saying kush is possible scum: Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted. What we know is that :
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He's more possible to me than others. Less likely than others, I imagine. | ||
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