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On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.
this makes less sense than i thought...
you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok
oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy
I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.
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On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.
are you talking about wishy washy as scum? i don't remember anything about djo's play other than looney lynching mafia
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oh i replaced out of that one, i probably didn't read it.
well DP. prior to this you talked about meta being bad, so what's different here?
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rayn. i know i called hopeless town earlier, i dont remember what you specifically said but i do remember you leaning in that direction around the same time that I started thinking that he was town. there might have been others, i don't remember. so it's not like a "town hopeless" would be as easy a "mislynch" as you're suggesting.
but it is interesting to think about and I wish you'd have let those three people answer you abuot hopeless before writing all of that
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be honest slam is probably mafia
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vivax
when i'm asking hopeless questions and he suddenly decides he must leave right then, there is nothing else I can do except wait for him to come back. it's not "losing interest" like you're suggesting. he came back while I was away from the thread, i read the thread which included some people interrogating him, and I decided he was town based off those interactions
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vivax I have no idea what you want from me. pleas restate your questions or whatever
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poe doesn't = scum reads. it often ends up that way but really it's just an alimination of the people I wouldn't lynch at the time. the fact that you ended up on my most recent one is nothing to do with a scum read, it's because I looked at your filter and came away from it with no feelings that you might be town. that is a good reason for you to stay on the PoE list.
regarding hf/dp
is this that same stuff holyflare was going on about? about how hf shouldn't have been in my list, or maybe DP should have, or something? i can't remember my thought process at the time of that early PoE list because of irl reasons, so asking me "why thrawn why" isn't going to help you figure out my alignment.
if I had to guess as to why i posted those things, just from reading my own posts from that time period, it might have had something to do with talking to and sympathizing with DP over holyflare's annoyingness in the thread right before i made that list.
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ok I think I remembered why i eliminated Dp and not hf
DP - some scummy things about him, but I can understand the reasons why he'd be doing those things and those reasons are holyflare's fault
hf - some scummy things about him, and I cannot figure out why he'd be doing those things (later he commented that he just enjoys trolling DP, this probably makes him more town than I thought as it at least provides some justification for his behavior)
so yes, I had reasons for not trusting either of them, but DP was the one I could sympathize with and possibly understand
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are you talking about hopeless jumping on giggles? i don't remember what you are talking about
" ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so."
are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle?
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No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play.
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I don't know vivax. I still think tehpoofter is town and it's making me think you're pushing lynchbait, especially now since it's pretty obvious that you're not going to be able to tunnel me anymore.
Can you explain the main part of your case? This:
"He agrees with HF's case in the post, tries to calm down his alleged scumread a bit later. Says townies wouldn't talk about Rayn + Coag, but does it himself? How do you use reasoning that doesn't apply to you when you know you're town? Answer: It's when you need to find some bs reason to justify a read."
(as an aside, when you say "his alleged scumread" instead of naming the alleged scumread it makes it hard for me to follow the argument)
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On March 20 2014 13:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play. But it should strike you as something in the realm of very probable scum play, unless you can convince me that there's something in his filter that is a reliable town tell compared to those posts from him.
no, I won't even grant you that. I'm town and there are massive portions of the early game I haven't read. i've had to explain the gaps between my reads multiple times in the game so far, because I never explained them to begin with. so I KNOW that townies are capable of doing the things you are accusing hopeless of being scum for.
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On March 20 2014 13:08 Vivax wrote:
I do x, I know I'm town. I say some dude is town cause he didn't do x. Does it finally ring?
The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent.
OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right?
OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie.
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On March 20 2014 13:17 Vivax wrote:
Thrawn, start saying who is scum and not do other shit please. The people I accuse can defend themselves on their own, while your reasoning above looked like it would be from an authentic thought process, it's sketchy as fuck that all you're doing is antagonizing me and being exceptionally thick on the points on TehPoofter.
Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, how am I antagonizing you?
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if you think my implied undertone of "vivax is mafia" throughout this conversation is antagonistic then you probably ARE mafia for being so defensive about it
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On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote:
HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards.
I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant:
"not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie"
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On March 20 2014 13:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote:
HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards. I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened?
Look vivax. Here is holy flare doing something other than talk about coag during the rayn/coag stuff. This is what tehpoofter meant by "reading between the lines."
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i'll be drinking soon hf but i promise to read that eventually
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