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On March 22 2014 02:50 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:48 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 22 2014 02:44 Palmar wrote:
Oats list doesn't say ve is scum and is on page 97 or something which is 20 pages after ve claims he's being called mafia by people who should know better.
I was referring specifically to you and rayn. But I wasn't calling you mafia... you were saying how usually VE would be scum, but VE is a porkchop eating nubcake who's day1 play has fallen off a cliff of questionable activity. Iuno...the amount of time he spends bitching about it bothers me but otherwise the paranoia makes sense from VE. on phone so cba checking but if we're talking about the same post i think i specifically said it wasn't alignments indicative
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On March 22 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
LIKE PALMAR IS VERY OBVIOUSLY IGNORING EVERYTHING I'M DOING DURING THIS CYCLE! HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OF THE SCUMHUNTING OR THREAD INTERACTION OR ANYTHING I'M DOING - HE'S JUST SHOVELING SHIT ON ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN SPITE OF ME VERY OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO MAKE MY OPINIONS ON OTHERS KNOWN! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ASININE AND WHATS WORSE IS THAT HE COULD BE TOWN DOING THIS!! So aren't you wasting time now arguing that he could be town after all this anyway? Who is the scum?
Is this real or a troll?
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On March 22 2014 02:49 Holyflare wrote:
Like if he is town then me doing the same as him must mean I'm his alignment. That's not the case though because apparently I'm scum!
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On March 22 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2014 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
LIKE PALMAR IS VERY OBVIOUSLY IGNORING EVERYTHING I'M DOING DURING THIS CYCLE! HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OF THE SCUMHUNTING OR THREAD INTERACTION OR ANYTHING I'M DOING - HE'S JUST SHOVELING SHIT ON ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN SPITE OF ME VERY OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO MAKE MY OPINIONS ON OTHERS KNOWN! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ASININE AND WHATS WORSE IS THAT HE COULD BE TOWN DOING THIS!! So aren't you wasting time now arguing that he could be town after all this anyway? Who is the scum? Is this real or a troll?
Absolutely real. Either you think he is scum in which case you need to prove it to us instead of raging at him or you think he's town in which case you need to stop perpetuating the very thing you are angry at palmar about.
Either way stop raging get to ze chopper and scum hunt with us!
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On March 22 2014 02:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 22 2014 02:48 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 22 2014 02:44 Palmar wrote:
Oats list doesn't say ve is scum and is on page 97 or something which is 20 pages after ve claims he's being called mafia by people who should know better.
I was referring specifically to you and rayn. But I wasn't calling you mafia... you were saying how usually VE would be scum, but VE is a porkchop eating nubcake who's day1 play has fallen off a cliff of questionable activity. Iuno...the amount of time he spends bitching about it bothers me but otherwise the paranoia makes sense from VE. on phone so cba checking but if we're talking about the same post i think i specifically said it wasn't alignments indicative
you did, but you said how in the past you would have definitely called VE scum but that his recent play sucked and thats the only reason its null.
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On March 22 2014 02:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hopeless do you sincerely think HF is mafia? Can you give me your bestest reason?
sorry missed it..
Yeah, I do, the bestest is how he says he's completely off the wall.
- didnt read about people's posts on vivax
- called vivax scum
- defended vivax
- tunnels DP into oblivion
- p.s. hopeless totes scum i proved it 5 times go read my filter
- Guys go check out oats filter
--> I meant thrawns filter, are you dumb?
THAT WAS SARCASM WTF
No I was totes serious.
Sarcasm again
Gawd you guys are bad.
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On March 22 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 22 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2014 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
LIKE PALMAR IS VERY OBVIOUSLY IGNORING EVERYTHING I'M DOING DURING THIS CYCLE! HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OF THE SCUMHUNTING OR THREAD INTERACTION OR ANYTHING I'M DOING - HE'S JUST SHOVELING SHIT ON ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN SPITE OF ME VERY OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO MAKE MY OPINIONS ON OTHERS KNOWN! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ASININE AND WHATS WORSE IS THAT HE COULD BE TOWN DOING THIS!! So aren't you wasting time now arguing that he could be town after all this anyway? Who is the scum? Is this real or a troll? Absolutely real. Either you think he is scum in which case you need to prove it to us instead of raging at him or you think he's town in which case you need to stop perpetuating the very thing you are angry at palmar about. Either way stop raging get to ze chopper and scum hunt with us!
Because:
1) Yes I find this entire argument to be a complete waste of time. I've stated so multiple times explicitly in the last hour or so.
2) I've been giving my opinions on people who ARE NOT a part of this argument over the course of the last hour or so - I've explicitly concluded that in my opinion GT is mafia and that YOU look worse as a result of the flip. I thought Oats looked bad but rayn is right that the timing doesn't make sense, but Oats still doesn't look good to me. Poofter looks weird to me for the reason I stated, you haven't commented on that either. You haven't commented on ANYTHING I've said actually, so why are you here shoveling shit on me with regard to this whole Palmar thing?
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Actually, this is just pissing me off. See you cats on D2.
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On March 22 2014 02:59 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hopeless do you sincerely think HF is mafia? Can you give me your bestest reason? sorry missed it.. Yeah, I do, the bestest is how he says he's completely off the wall. - didnt read about people's posts on vivax - called vivax scum - defended vivax - tunnels DP into oblivion - p.s. hopeless totes scum i proved it 5 times go read my filter - Guys go check out oats filter --> I meant thrawns filter, are you dumb? THAT WAS SARCASM WTF No I was totes serious. Sarcasm again Gawd you guys are bad.
that's not a reason, just a list of stuff
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I'ma swing down from the rooftops for a moment. Posts like this are characteristic of Flare's posting during N1.
On March 22 2014 02:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:Just gonna requote this so dp doesn't bury it with more nonsense: On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.
Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning. what if this is true and poofter/hopless is scum? Reposting this now that people are awake
Look through his filter for poofter. On March 20 2014 19:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 20 2014 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
Poofter wtf are you saying he made a case on you and then questioned you. At least say what's meh about it instead of generalisations He questioned me before the case.... that was what I was getting at. I think you're wrong on him being mafia. Sorry I was trying to quote it but its super long. Basically I feel like hes trying to figure out the game he is pushing in weird directions but I think pushing hard is more town than mafia. If hes mafia hes sticking his neck out REALLY far on the wrong people that are going to flip town.... would suck to get caught like that on day 1. Day 1 scum IMO are people not pushing super hard. Cases like yours HF I think are better suited for day 2-3. Well this is an outright lie Case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?page=43#855Dp filter where it happens: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?user=DarthPunk&page=60 questions before case
Poofter is outright lying.On March 20 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know what Vivax is lying about. Is it page numbers or what the fuck ever but the fact is he is lying about something. Then you should be lynching dp for lying and poofter for lying Lynch DP or poofter for lying, not Vivax
On March 20 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
Ok rayn regardless of this vivax thing if you found mafia.
Dp has thepoofter as 100% scum and makes an entire case on him based on 2 posts and only after the case asks him questions (like suki and toad in culture). When poofter responds dp calls him a liar and thus furthering his view of 100% scum. Why does he unvote 100% scum to sheep you on the guy that made a case on me that followed dp's logic that i am scum? regardless of vivax, here's DP and maybe DP/poofter
On March 21 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the vote count at that time: On March 20 2014 07:51 geript wrote:
DarthPunk (1): Holyflare
Coagulation (0): DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112
Holyflare (1): Giggletummy
Tehpoofter (1): DarthPunk
Hopeless1der (0): raynpelikoneet
djodref (3): Oatsmaster, Koshi, thrawn2112
Giggletummy (3): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, VisceraEyes,
Not Voting: djodref, Vivax, tehpoofter, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der
Was also a long time before deadline. Anyway, Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 13:17 Vivax wrote:
Thrawn, start saying who is scum and not do other shit please. The people I accuse can defend themselves on their own, while your reasoning above looked like it would be from an authentic thought process, it's sketchy as fuck that all you're doing is antagonizing me and being exceptionally thick on the points on TehPoofter.
Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 14:26 Vivax wrote:
I made a case with multiple points in it, you responded to one point of it. That is nitpicking. Consider all the information or don't write about it. Besides Poofter can perfectly answer to it by himself, hence I see no reason to defend him as town unless you have a point that proves he's town, which neither you nor thrawn brought up after I requested it. If you aren't sure about his alignment then you have no reason to defend him cause you need him to talk to figure it out.
Moral of the story: Don't take away pressure from my scumread unless you have a damn good reason to, which you don't seem to have.
Scum-or-dumb-points to both of you. Lot of page 2 vivax filter should clear me, thrawn and poofter as town. Not just these points in particular I'm town and poofter is also town because of filter.
On March 21 2014 08:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So in your opinion mafia team is Djo afk, Vivax and DP both bussing poofer and poofer afk?
Seems legit Holyflare. what the fuck are you talking about i said poofter is town? gets mad because now poofter is town, not mafia
On March 21 2014 13:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.
Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning. I think this might have been true and that's why he is actually angry (poofter scum? :OOOOOO) I've decided poofter is scum again. He was lying scum, then he was cleared by vivax's filter, now the exact same bit in vivax's filter maybe indicates poofter is scum. possibly maybe.
On March 21 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:Just gonna requote this so dp doesn't bury it with more nonsense: Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.
Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning. what if this is true and poofter/hopless is scum? There are like 5 different postings of this. Asked to specific people and now mentioned again.
HF is active and posty but his posts overnight are full NOT of specific questions like "who was the mislynch" (hi rayn, it was me), or even djodref's "assume i'm town and Giggle is town then xxxxxx"
HF is "Hey what if Vivax was serious that he gave us ez scum?" The answer, of course, is that poofter would be scum. It's not a neat, thoughtful question, it's got a 100% specific answer that's clearly visible. This isn't a real question. It's just false activity that makes it look like Flare is trying to figure something out. But the question goes nowhere, and the basis for the question is "what if this mafia guy was serious?" Unless he can resurrect Vivax and administer some truth serum, we're only gonna learn the answer post-flip or post game.
When I say characteristic, I mean there are a lot of other questions that are camouflaged (that word is spelled strangely) to look like real stuff. His read on me bounces around the same way, I'm scum but then assumed town, but then a good shot (and vigs should not be shooting but then should shoot), and then I'm probably scum again. All this while he just makes up alignments for everyone and then plays out hypothetical situations that aren't even real.
On March 21 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you are saying DarthPunk tried to lynch tehpoofer. When it gains no traction he hesitates to join on Giggletummy wagon and when i make a case on Vivax, DarthPunk insta-sheeps me without even knowing fully what the case is about??
Really Holyflare, this is what you are suggesting? he doesn't hesitate, he joins giggle straight away without commenting on the case he spent the entire game waiting for and that case agreed with all his points so he should be voting for a townish read, he gives conclusive reasons that djo is scum but is voting for the guy that agreed with his points and made a case that he didnt look over or question? isn't that odd to you? On March 21 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
Oh I said that, looks like I was smart in the past too!
HF: I went back and checked. I tempvoted Giggle on page 54 and properly (mspaint) on 67. rayn voted him on page 63. DP voted giggle on page 89.
That does not count as instantly in my book.
(All while claiming every blue role in the book)
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So you think giggle is mafia but i am too...? So he just full on buses me for the entirety of the day as his only play? I've already said i think poofter is scummy. He defended dp (regardless of dp's alignment) with flat out lies. You have commented on 0 of the posts i made this night either. So why is it that i look bad for doing the same thing to you?
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On March 22 2014 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
So you think giggle is mafia but i am too...? So he just full on buses me for the entirety of the day as his only play? I've already said i think poofter is scummy. He defended dp (regardless of dp's alignment) with flat out lies. You have commented on 0 of the posts i made this night either. So why is it that i look bad for doing the same thing to you?
That's not why you look bad - what I'm saying is that you're not commenting on my content whilst simultaneously saying I haven't been providing content and instead am "prepetuating" this shit with Palmar when all I wanted to do was NOT TALK ABOUT IT. EXPLICITLY.
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On March 22 2014 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 22 2014 02:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hopeless do you sincerely think HF is mafia? Can you give me your bestest reason? sorry missed it.. Yeah, I do, the bestest is how he says he's completely off the wall. - didnt read about people's posts on vivax - called vivax scum - defended vivax - tunnels DP into oblivion - p.s. hopeless totes scum i proved it 5 times go read my filter - Guys go check out oats filter --> I meant thrawns filter, are you dumb? THAT WAS SARCASM WTF No I was totes serious. Sarcasm again Gawd you guys are bad. that's not a reason, just a list of stuff
they're examples of HF not properly following through on stuff, it doesnt feel sincere, he's "off the wall"
Off the wall is my reason.
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But yeah, it's whatever. Maybe I'll be back D2. Maybe not. Good luck with whatever it is you're doing.
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However, Holyflare has had some good posts tonight:On March 21 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not at all that post states that in both options he made giggle mafia and giggle is saying what if it isn't black and white because i am town and doing banana, apple, orange.
Are you reading the same post? On March 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 11:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not at all that post states that in both options he made giggle mafia and giggle is saying what if it isn't black and white because i am town and doing banana, apple, orange.
Are you reading the same post? What? In that post i clearly state what i would expect a townie do and what giggle did and that's why i think he is mafia. It has nothing to do with black and white or whatever crap he was talking about. Maybe it's him or you who is not reading the posts properly. If it's moere 1 giggle is mafia, if it's more 2 you are mafia both options making giggle mafia and he provides counter reasons for your points which is what a towny being discredited would also do so it is not "slandering a player that's town" like dp said This is what I was talking about with you, rayn. You present only two options, in both of which I am mafia. (Sometimes).
Aside from that, in your bit on me about Vivax and "knowing" Vivax's alignment, and how I had Flare scum in the case of either flip, Flare looks scummy re: Vivax because of his reaction. It's not the right reaction. It's not "I don't believe you." It's not "I think Vivax is still town because x and y and z."
It's "A townie did this one time, therefore _____" (with no mention of how lying is often scum because they have more to gain, despite the fact that yes, townies lie sometimes). It's also "if vivax is lying and you want to lynch him, why don't you want to lynch DP and poofter?" (indicating that lying is scummy, and we should be lynching liars, but I guess not vivax).
That does point more towards scum vivax, because of the push off of vivax that didn't give groovy vibes. But the reaction is wrong regardless of Vivax's alignment. The reaction is "the day is going well, and now shenanigans are afoot close-ish to lynch, and we no longer have control of the lynch." I'm the mislynch, the day is easy for scum, and suddenly things get shaken up. It points more towards mafia Vivax, but honestly if Vivax is town it's still the wrong reaction to someone getting caught lying.
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Yeh well done giggle you just proved you are scum. You take my hypothetical scenario and portray that as what i think of alignments and then you cherrypick the part where rayn gets the scenario explanation wrong as another thing for me to point out.
What is the part that makes me scum? Is it the part where i explore all situations possible? Or is it the part where i do that thing that i explained about on vivax that i would never do as scum? Or is it the longest filter in the game part?
None of the things you mentioned make me scum and it looks really forced.
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On March 22 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well done giggle you just proved you are scum. You take my hypothetical scenario and portray that as what i think of alignments and then you cherrypick the part where rayn gets the scenario explanation wrong as another thing for me to point out.
What is the part that makes me scum? Is it the part where i explore all situations possible? Or is it the part where i do that thing that i explained about on vivax that i would never do as scum? Or is it the longest filter in the game part?
None of the things you mentioned make me scum and it looks really forced. You're "exploring all situations possible" by just swirling everything around and by running the thread off onto tangents.
I can understand what djodref is after when he looks at the djo town/me town scenario and tries to follow through. I can understand what rayn is at least after when he goes through who calls hopeless scummy, why, why don't these people call hopeless scummy, what is there to gain.
But you explore things in a way that doesn't have that conclusion behind it. "What if Vivax wasn't lying?" just leads to a single answer. You're essentially asking "What if poofter is mafia?" That's not a helpful question. It doesn't give insight into anything. It just serves to stir a particular pot whenever you want to bring it back up.
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On March 22 2014 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
So you think giggle is mafia but i am too...? So he just full on buses me for the entirety of the day as his only play? I've already said i think poofter is scummy. He defended dp (regardless of dp's alignment) with flat out lies. You have commented on 0 of the posts i made this night either. So why is it that i look bad for doing the same thing to you? That's not why you look bad - what I'm saying is that you're not commenting on my content whilst simultaneously saying I haven't been providing content and instead am "prepetuating" this shit with Palmar when all I wanted to do was NOT TALK ABOUT IT. EXPLICITLY.
If I had said things that can be proven false I'd probably not want to talk about them so I'm with VE here
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