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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2014 06:03 GMT
#181
I didn't realize that the assassin kill was posted in the thread publicly.

Disregard my complaints.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:04 GMT
#182
Trust me, this is really easy.

If assassin takes an unaccounted shot, day/night vigi shoots them because they claim mafia.
Same goes vice versa.

Every time we decide on a shot the roleblocker and jailer target each other so the shot is guaranteed to go through. If they don't, they claim mafia.

That way we control all the non-mafia factional KP in the game which is far better than leave it up for a chance that mafia picks KP-roles and we are fucked.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2014 06:06 GMT
#183
Well, you're still gambling that enough people are going to follow this picking plan in the first place. The idea failed miserably last PYP.

But sure, I'll go along for the ride.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:06 GMT
#184
It does not even matter if the KP guys are scum or town because they need to play for the town or claim mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:08 GMT
#185
On March 05 2014 15:06 yamato77 wrote:
Well, you're still gambling that enough people are going to follow this picking plan in the first place. The idea failed miserably last PYP.

But sure, I'll go along for the ride.

That's why i want to sort this out asap.
If someone has complaints they need to state them right away because i don't want to waste time discussing this.
This is the best plan and we'll do it unless someone says how it does not work.

If people don't say how this is not pro-town it's pro town and we'll do it. Now to scumhunting. I haven't actually even read the thread so gimme a minute.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:12 GMT
#186
I think Xatalos is mafia, what do you think yamato?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2014 06:14 GMT
#187
What about randoming his numbers makes him mafia?
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:16 GMT
#188
On March 05 2014 15:14 yamato77 wrote:
What about randoming his numbers makes him mafia?

There is a high chance mafia clashes with someone as it's a mini game and it's a bad thing to go to the bottom of the trade order. Also picking in the first place without discussing possible plans is really anti-town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:18 GMT
#189
Also the numbers ensure he is probably not 1st pick (which is kinda bad for mafia as you are under a lot of scrutiny). Nicely in the top 3-5 but not first. Best place to be for scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:19 GMT
#190
yamato what makes you think he actually randomed them?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2014 06:19 GMT
#191
Given that there are 12 players and a 30 number range, the chance of clash is actually low.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2014 06:19 GMT
#192
On March 05 2014 15:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato what makes you think he actually randomed them?

Why would he lie about that even if he was mafia?
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:21 GMT
#193
On March 05 2014 15:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 15:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato what makes you think he actually randomed them?

Why would he lie about that even if he was mafia?

Because if other people don't pick [5] he is in a nice spot as scum as i already explained. Why would he not lie about it as scum? It can't be confirmed but it also can't be confirmed he didn't. It's a null-tell.

But the numbers are fishy, and picking them without waiting is even more fishy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:22 GMT
#194
What i am saying is that there is a possible scum motivation behind his randomed or "randomed" numbers.
And there is no town motivation for already having picked them.

That's why i think he is mafia.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2014 06:23 GMT
#195
Im not following the picking plan because its too easily abused Rayn.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:24 GMT
#196
On March 05 2014 15:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not following the picking plan because its too easily abused Rayn.

Explain why right now or i ensure you i get you lynched.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2014 06:28 GMT
#197
On March 05 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
On March 05 2014 14:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2014 14:51 yamato77 wrote:
On March 05 2014 14:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am obviously town.

No, you came up with a bad plan.

If assassin knows who picked what, they can immediately kill that person as soon as they get their role. Obviously this ruins your idea of "first pick Backup", as you'll have no way to confirm anyone's claims at all.

So? And then we lynch the assassin and they are mafia.
1-1 trade is bad on D2?

How do you know who the assassin is?

...

Because i just fucking said this:
1st guy picks the Universal Backup
2st guy picks Vigilante
3rd guy picks Day Vigilante
4th guy picks Assassin

4th guy is assassin, well not necessarily but he is confirmed mafia if assassin shoots at the start of N1.

right you see here, if scum gets any kp more then they can just shoot town man. Its like so bad. We should make sure only town reads get kp and that town gets assassin.
No gg, No skill.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 05 2014 06:28 GMT
#198
On March 05 2014 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the plan:

First guy picks Universal Backup. At N1 start he outs all the roles that are not being picked.
The second guy picks Vigilante.
The third guy picks Day Vigilante
The fourth guy picks Assassin
The fifth guy picks roleblocker.
Everyone else picks whatever.

Best plan 2014, we gonna do it because the KP-roles are silent and this is a mini game.

Anti town plan because
1) Universal Backup announcing all roles not being picked is probably the best way to help mafia blue snipe and fake claim.
2) Having multiple Kp roles all at the top of the list is very dangerous because mafia can share numbers and avoid clash. This is especially true in a mini game.
3) The roleblocker is important to stop dangerous KP from occurring. There is no other way for us to stop a rouge assassin/vig. Having the Roleblocker easily snipable just sets up for a mafia victory

##VOTE: Raynpelikoneet

On March 05 2014 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trust me, this is really easy.

If assassin takes an unaccounted shot, day/night vigi shoots them because they claim mafia.
Same goes vice versa.

Every time we decide on a shot the roleblocker and jailer target each other so the shot is guaranteed to go through. If they don't, they claim mafia.

That way we control all the non-mafia factional KP in the game which is far better than leave it up for a chance that mafia picks KP-roles and we are fucked.

Because historically town has been able to control KP based roles? Unless it's super obvious (CPR doc), people are just gonna fire when they feel like it.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:28 GMT
#199
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Explanation or die.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 06:28 GMT
#200
Bad explanation, you die.
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