On March 06 2014 02:34 boonetown wrote:
I honestly have no idea how to format this shit so that it's pleasing to your oh so precious eyes. I claimed, that's all you need to know. Green, underlined, bolded... fuck off.

My reads are a little hap hazard because I'm really confused on Palmar and Oats. I, for the longest time thought Palmar was town, and he might very well be, but the way he's pushing on me as a town who has legit being trying at this game, failing, but tying... just seems like he's going for an easy lynch.

Oats, you're an idiot. So much so that I almost read you as town because of it. You can't honestly be this bad and rude, as mafia. You'd probably try harder to be nice if you were mafia. so my reads will change in the next 5 hours I'm sure.

Actually ignore Palmar and Oats for now. We have 5 hours and your opinion on templar and Killing is more valuable than on players who are most likely not gonna get lynched.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:39 GMT

#966

On March 06 2014 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Well the one thing I find odd about Palmar is that he has repeatedly played himself down in the oh-i-could-be-wrong fashion, which I've never seen him do Day 1, I've generally found him (to act) very confident on Day 1.

Palmar calls "one of my town reads is wrong" as town if that's what you mean?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:42 GMT

#971

Like this Dandel:

On February 21 2014 21:31 Palmar wrote:
I am almost always terribly wrong on one mafia and call him town, so you could check out in my top 7.

But I think toad is a good day 1 lynch.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:44 GMT

#972

##vote: ggtemplar

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:46 GMT

#976

Also where the fuck is VE?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:49 GMT

#980

We are not lynching Dandel, that's for sure!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:51 GMT

#981

Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 17:55 GMT

#983

Also the post where he stated his reads was full of contradictions and stuff that's not alignment indicative, i'll make a post about it, Oats caught some already earlier.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:16 GMT

#998

This post. For starters he has five scumreads in a game where there is three mafia.
I'll break the post in parts:

On March 05 2014 14:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:

Show nested quote +

People I'm currently suspicious of/things that struck me as scummy:

Boone - For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote.

Some other potential candidates depending on how the day plays out -

Sheeping thread sentiment, not necessarily scummy but nothing new to see here.

VE - Early on I thought things like this were weird:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=9#171 lot of fluff responding to someone else's question has me a little curious about him early on. Later on his reason for voting me felt forced and weak - very scummy in my eyes.

Ehh.. this is pretty much OMGUS and nothing more.

Palmar
Lots of fluff posts that _look_ pro-town on the surface without actually contributing to finding scum. It's a lot of asking people to contribute to find scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=12#240
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#242
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#244
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#245
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#247
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#256 (calls him town after a bunch of people already make the read, convenient that you give him that softball and then just agree with him anyways)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#258 (another useless question asked by you that he answers with a lot of fluff that doesn't actually contribute towards finding scum)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=13#260 (not from palmer but another useless question from you. his response is another fluff post but it was a fluff question to begin with. where you went with it is just fluff)

Killing sort of pointed similar thoughts in one of his posts, which is why I townread him more (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444554&currentpage=17#336)

Asking people to contribute to find scum is a way of finding scum, and at worst is a null tell and not scummy. He also brings up the me/Palmar interaction and the conclusion is hilarious. Even if asking "useless questions that do not move town forward" was what Palmar was doing in those quotes it does not make him mafia because he has other posts aswell, and templar is not telling what the mafia agenda here is (also see the read on me for that). [/quote]

rayn

Your questioning of Palmar was pretty scummy and you not reading my post properly is a little scummy as well, but I somewhat understand the criticism in your current post. I still don't like the early bit, or your fucking vote on me like I'm the best lynch.

Another OMGUS + a read that i am scummy because i am questioning his scumread... w00t??

Dandelion
The dumb argument he had with JAT around page 15 and Robik later on felt like mafia just filling the thread arguing useless stuff with stubborn town.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=337&topic_id=444554
Not even accusing him, just lightly throwing suspicion on him. Can't remember if someone else pointed it out or not.

I know he's been called a trolly player but this game it's more like a mafia spreading chaos that fills up the thread with confusion and misdirection.

Another instance where he takes a post or two that may or may not have anything to do with the game and ignores the rest of Dandel's posts. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS MADE A TROLLY POST IN THIS GAME! Someone joking or making a trolly post(s) does not make them mafia. The argument with JAT was not dumb, or if it was it's not proven here why, and why dumb =/= scum??

TLDR;
- Too many scumreads in the first place makes no sense, why would a townie have more scumreads than there are mafia, seems like scum saying "i can lynch half of the people in game so i can change my mind more than just between three people"
- Bad reasoning for scumreads, doesn't point out why something is scummy, it's "dumb" or "bad".
- Contradicting reads, people who are scum call out other scum and again he does not explain how this is more likely to be scum/scum interaction
- All the stuff that's been questioned in this post by me & Oats has basically been retracted by GGTeMpLaR so it in itself proves this is really bad. He is not bad as he himself proved (by quoting the LXIV game when questioned by Oats) -> a lot of misrepresentations that have been pointed out.

That's why ggtemplar is mafia. lynch.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:21 GMT

#1002

Dandel where is VE?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:22 GMT

#1005

Would lynch:
ggtemplar
Killing
austin

Would not lynch:
Everyone else unless they claim scum or something.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:24 GMT

#1008

I would only lynch VE because it's hilarious to lynch VE on D1, like lynching yamato.

But i don't think he is mafia. Inactivity does not mean he is mafia, he's been playing video mafia last night, i know that for a fact.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:26 GMT

#1011

I'll brb in 30min, i gotz sauna ready.
Also the PYP game got boring and this one got interesting so see you guys soon! ^_^

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:28 GMT

#1014

On March 06 2014 03:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
also rayn why did you take a decent-ish case and then added the shit about "town wouldn't suspect 5 people"

That's like so not true.

I might be biased becaue I play by elimination but w/e

The rest was fine-ish as I said.

I can explain this in more detail if you want to, short answer is "no".

Also i have not seen templar do that, in LXIV he had exactly 4 scumreads.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:28 GMT

#1015

EBWOP: When there was 4 scum..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:52 GMT

#1047

On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.

That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.

##Unvote
##Vote: Killing

Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 05 2014 18:55 GMT

#1051

Dandel, the fact about templar and his too many scumreads is that it's not like "i think these guys might be mafia", it's like he makes a case on everyone, which is retarded and i don't see why he would do that as town. The only reason i could see him do that is if he is mafia and he can later on say "see i found this guy scummy here for these reasons already".