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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 12:54 GMT
#2458
And because you defended Killing on D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 12:59 GMT
#2462
Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:02 GMT
#2466
I refuse to answer that question Grackaroni.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:04 GMT
#2469
On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.

Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.

Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine.

You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest.

well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't.

nope. It's not the same.



Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still.

I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time.

The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.

ahahahah this is 100% true
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:05 GMT
#2471
Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:10 GMT
#2475
Can you go read some of his scumgames and give a re-evaluated opinion on him taking meta into account?
Les Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/410972-les-mafia?user=Dandel Ion
NWM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/418049-nuclear-winter-mafia?user=Dandel Ion (he replaced out after D1 but still, there is D1)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:13 GMT
#2477
On March 11 2014 22:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol Rayn you are usually a stickler for vote justification. You don't think Dandel Ion's actions are even remotely strange?

I think Dandel is one of the easiest players to meta on TL and i can't believe he is mafia in this game based on meta.
I don't think his vote on D1 was too suspicious, yes, it was strange, but i find people who bitched about the D1 lynch more suspicious / hypocrite than people who straight up admit they were wrong / didn't do enough and don't twist shit regarding D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:15 GMT
#2479
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:18 GMT
#2483
Fair enough, i can see what you are saying.
Do you think both mafia were on VE or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:20 GMT
#2485
On March 11 2014 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:
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On March 11 2014 22:15 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.

Who me?

Can't be directed at you. I think this goes to robik et al

It was directed to Grack regarding my post before the quoted one.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:21 GMT
#2486
Fuck i thought boone didn't vote for VE..
bad me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:24 GMT
#2490
On March 11 2014 10:10 Alakaslam wrote:
So

See vote thread.

RAYN DEFENSE THYSELF WASSUP WITH YOU DEFENSE KILLING BRO

U DEFENSE KILLING BRO

I think it has something to do with this.
I just have no idea what lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:25 GMT
#2491
I don't want to lynch Grack.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:29 GMT
#2493
On March 11 2014 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, the case checking has become a full filter read on rayn. I have to be insane.
I am still not 100% sold on him especially because of things like this:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On Killing i am not so sure. I totally get his point about the contradiction, but the thing is it's not only mafia that contradicts themself and to be honest what does mafia!Killing gain in calling boone not mafia and then calling her mafia? At least half of the town at that time thought boone was mafia and given Killing's conclusion (boone best lynch) why not just be consistent in his read? Of course it's possible that he jsut fucked up his thought process as scum in one post but that's not usually what mafia does because they are more careful in what they post. I have VERY RARELY seen mafia contradict themselves in single post like that. I don't understand why robik just decides Killing is mafia based on that and does not investigate that any further, especially given that he was weighing the lynch between VE/Killing at the eod1.

(1): Holy shit is that bad. Especially if you are grilling people for contradictions all the fucking time.

I can see where he is coming from regarding templar but I don't know if I want to lynch that guy over Grack atm tbh (I don't understand why rayn is defending Grack all game). I don't remember this to be Gracks townplay.

(2): General complaint: Rayn, your new case on templar reads more like a summary of what he did than an explanation for why he is scum for the most part (I know it can be figured out what you mean usually) and I am not a fan of linking posts instead of quoting them. It makes it harder to follow your thought process.

Situation right now:
Would lynch into Grack/Templar.

A couple of things:
1) I don't "grill people for contradictions". I grill them for shit that does not make sense to me from town perspective. I know townies contradict themselves all the time and i didn't see any scum motivation for Killing to say what he did about boone. If you think that makes me mafia fair enough, but it doesn't. That was my opinion and apparently i was wrong.
2) That's not true JAT. If you read my post i have pointed out clear leaps of logic in Templars posts. I pointed out stuff that does not make any sense from town perspective.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:31 GMT
#2494
You should know me JAT. I rarely give a shit about what people post, i give a shit about WHY they do post what they do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:36 GMT
#2496
I don't give a fuck if Slam is voting for me or not since his vote tells more about him than it does about me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:37 GMT
#2497
On March 11 2014 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You should know me JAT. I rarely give a shit about what people post, i give a shit about WHY they do post what they do.

Maybe. But what I see in this quote is you defending a mafia with weak and suspicious reasoning. Anyways you should probably discuss this with slam since he is the one voting you for it. You are not my lynch for today.

Also i gave a clear reasoning why in my opinion Killing's post did not make sense from mafia perspective. Agreed?
So if you think i am scum for that why don't you then say so?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:38 GMT
#2499
Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:39 GMT
#2500
On March 11 2014 22:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough, but you don't want his vote to end up there, do you?

Of course i don't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:42 GMT
#2502
On March 11 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it.

Like I really hate when people do this. Killing's alignment does not make my post any less townie/scummy. Because i gave a clear reasoning why i said what i did. If people want to call me mafia for that post they should have done so right after i made the post, not after Killing flips mafia because the flip is IRRELEVANT. Being wrong =/= mafia and i would hope people would learn that at some point..
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