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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:05 GMT
#1887
On February 28 2014 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:58 geript wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:37 geript wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia.


Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely.

The only time I've ever seen 2 scum up for lynch was in a hydra game iirc. And that was 99% because of how active and late day shenannies there were. Like town refused as a group to lynch town and balanced on reads and were deciding which of 3 scum to lynch (Sandroba/syllogism got a free pass though). NSB and Raynmaster were the default lynch away from FMB(Prome/someone), WaveofCheesecake and MockArmor. I've read a bunch and I can't think of any other similar situation with both wagons being scum day 1.

Again read these:
A Quiet game mini mafia
Normal mini mafia Episode 1

Remind me after game but after skimming to see the scum teams, I think that's based more on who the teams were. Besides, Moc has actually had an ok thread presence.

Yes but he was not here, suki was not here, when the lynch was actually swung from "we don't know what the fuck to do" into "let's lynch suki/Mocsta".

Vivax was on the table, gumshoe, JJD.. They were all on the table at that point.

No Vivax was effectively off because of the claim. Gumshoe, idk I never really felt like he was gaining traction. JJD, idk maybe but like so many people have given him a soft town read at points that I find it hard to believe most people would shift to him. Like it really felt like to me it was Mocsta, suki or me; just that no one wanted to "roll the dice" on me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:07 GMT
#1890
On February 28 2014 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
maybe even you geript, and toad.

Nah toad had no chance of being lynched there was no sentiment towards him whatsoever grumble grumble.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:18 GMT
#1897
On February 28 2014 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here, this is just before my vote on suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:34 Balla24 wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (1) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (1) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki



Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!


Do you think this looks like there is some clear direction??

No but vote count doesn't always equal thread sentiment. That JJD vote looks really out of place and sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:21 GMT
#1901
Let me get on my comp Rayn.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:32 GMT
#1903
On February 28 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 17:21 geript wrote:
Let me get on my comp Rayn.

Okay geript, let's drop it for about 5 days or so?
Basically we are arguing if there is a scenario where Mocsta can be mafia or not. That is something that is not relevant until it becomes self-explanatory (when all the scummy people have flipped and the game does not end). Agreed?

Let's talk about TheChyz. Do you think he can be mafia?

No it's important gimme a sec
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:50 GMT
#1905
Votecount

Mocsta (1) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (1) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Not Voting (2)- raynpelikoneet, Cavalinho, Ange777


Ok so here's the votecount that you posted (I added in not voting for completeness). Look what happens when you color it in and remove the strikethroughs.


Votecount

Mocsta (1) - Vivax

geript (2) - TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript

JarJarDrinks (1) - Gumshoe

gumshoe (1) - JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) -

suki (1) - Holyflare

Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta

Not Voting (2)- raynpelikoneet, Cavalinho, Ange777

Like I know you're a little iffy about Mocsta in a "save it for later" way, but I'm kinda iffy about gumshoe in the same way so I'm splitting the difference and calling them both green. I think we both agree that Chyz is green so no problem there. Look how pretty a split of scum that is; like this is what I'm used to seeing for a mid-day 1 scum vote split. That feels really good; the problem is the following:

Votecount

Mocsta (5) - Vivax, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, [red]suki[red], Cavalinho

geript (1) - TheChyz

TheChyz (0) -

Toadesstern (1) - Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) -

gumshoe (0) -

WaveofShadow (0) -

suki (5) - Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777

Vivax (1) - Mocsta

When you look at it, this means that for that perfect vote split to be true, scum pretty much went all out to try to save suki. Like usually you don't commit more than 2 people to try and save someone. That means that we still need to look at gumshoe, ange, chyz and mocsta. Like less than Toad, JJD, Cavalinho but there'd normally be a the third scum not on Mocsta in this situation.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:52 GMT
#1906
One thing I do feel comfortable saying is that I'm pretty sure Chyz can't be scum if Toad is.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:54 GMT
#1908
Like it looks really good until you move it forward.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:56 GMT
#1910
On February 28 2014 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't believe Ange is mafia. I just can't believe it. She is good enough to not get suki lynched in that situation.

I'd be really surprised about that too because her posts were like really towny. But LittleTram=gumshoe right? You know where I'm going with this right?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 08:59 GMT
#1914
No my point is more in gumshoe being right. Like ya, I could see wave being scum too but that's really more on his filter being way longer than mine. But no I'm referring to the "Tram is making sense and is therefore scum" heuristic.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:00 GMT
#1915
On February 28 2014 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait who called gumshoe Tram? I remember someone doing so.

HF I think.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:02 GMT
#1918
No I'm talking about little tram from voice. Like it has to be him because he brought but the ban list discussion we had. Like let's dive gumshoe.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:06 GMT
#1921
On February 28 2014 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 17:59 geript wrote:
No my point is more in gumshoe being right. Like ya, I could see wave being scum too but that's really more on his filter being way longer than mine. But no I'm referring to the "Tram is making sense and is therefore scum" heuristic.

Yeah i can get that but are you referring to Ange or gumshoe possibly being scum with this?

I'm saying we should still expect from Ange but gumshoe making sense on a few specific things, especially how dogmatic he was about the read on me, like we need to take another really serious look at tram. Like it hit me right after the flip and I brushed it off, but I remembered BH posting in scum QT in the game about how he and I should mix it up together but he'd stop short of calling me scum. It reminded me of Gumshoe's softball post toward suki.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:07 GMT
#1922
On February 28 2014 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You heard our conversation @ the GSL game right?

No not that I can recall.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:22 GMT
#1927
I'll look at it in the morning Rayn. I'm sweepy tired. His filter is interesting of what I've read.

Either way, we have to promise not to lynch him tomorrow either way. Like I'd feel so awful for lynching him over JJD or Toad and gumshoe flipping town. Like idk if I could ever play a game with him again out of shame of lynching him for playing so amazingly as town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 09:26 GMT
#1930
On February 27 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Take a break gumshoe.


Take a shit, cause your full of it.

I gotta admit though, you still probly need ice for this one Rayn.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 15:53 GMT
#2005
Damn I really feel like my townreads are spot on. Like really spot on. Sorry Moc, you know I like you.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 16:29 GMT
#2032
No, I think gumshoe is town. Like no matter how much I want to entertain him being so right he's scum; my townreads have been so extremely solid this game so far that I'm really not concerned with him right now. I'll keep an eye on it but I really really don't think he's scum.

JJD/Toad make the most sense.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 16:30 GMT
#2034
Don't worry gummybear, I got your back. Vivax if you shoot my gummybear then I swear I will lynch you for funsies.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#2044
I want you to admit that I'm a leader and look into toad already wave.
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