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I am going to bed now, not sure if I will be awake for the deadline so will give an updated reads list (IN ORDER OF THE OP FILTERS, since it caused such a shit stir last time)
1. WaveofShadow (filter)
2. Holyflare (filter) - Hes asking good questions, I've gotten over my butthurt he thinks im scum.
3. gumshoe (filter)
4. Ange777 (filter) - Was pretty clear from her first catch up post she would tend to voting me, but overall I liked the posts. Seems to be trying to piece things together.
5. Toadesstern (filter) Too dumb to be scum + was pretty jovial at the start
6. Cavalinho (filter) Too inactive for my liking. May be easier to read him post-flips.
7. JarJarDrinks (filter) - Atm, I am a scums wet dream. They WOULD NOT flip flop on me like JJD did. + admiting to the pre-flip alignments so brazenly. I find that unlikely for scum.
8. TheChyz (filter) - I dunno if hes played scum, but i gave his town NM1 game a half decent read. Changed my mind on him.
9. suki (filter) - Read through her scum game in NM1 again today and thought quite decently of her (i.e. I find her scum cases to be fixated on flawed logic/feels as opposed to scum hunting).. however, this vivax unvote to Chz is enough to make me drop her back to null.
10. raynpelikoneet (filter) If town and hes genuinely agitated by this "claim" I still dont expect him to act like this. i dunno.. hse annoying me on a personal level which is affecting my read. I liked a lot of his non-mocsta posts recently, so will stick with greee.
11. Mocsta (filter)
12. Vivax (filter) - Is more happy to banter with anyone present then progress his scum reads.
13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark)
I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently.
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On February 28 2014 01:13 Vivax wrote:
There moc, I rehashed the whole argument just so you would be able to digest it.
Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon.
Again, this is exactly how I responded to Kush. Nice moves Vivax.
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Sweet
I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all
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That was an intense catch up
I thought I was about to be lynched
Guys. This heavily implicates vivax...... I.e. her vote drop on him yesterday before I went to bed
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On February 28 2014 09:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:06 Mocsta wrote:
Sweet
I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all uh how?
What... U think the early interactions. Between me and suki and scum to scum......
That's seriously not possible
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On February 28 2014 09:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:07 Mocsta wrote:
That was an intense catch up
I thought I was about to be lynched
Guys. This heavily implicates vivax...... I.e. her vote drop on him yesterday before I went to bed We'll see how much this implicates me when you drop dead bro. Looks like you missed something in your ketchup.
Lol... You are the scum that fake claimed vig.
I Got you lynched that game.
You shoot me then doesn't matter. I was suspect of suki for exactly the right reasons. Not my problem this town shit on it
I will admit that if I assume u r town, it makes me want to reassess gumshoe
With a suki flip it is interesting he came to my defense and then attacked suki unproductively
Will give this more thought if I'm alive tomorrow.
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On February 28 2014 09:14 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:06 Mocsta wrote:
Sweet
I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all I don't think your confirmed by any means. you could possibly be a goon and throwing the lynch on you would make suki + any other scum that might have voted for you look more town.
This is stupid
Read the interchanges before commenting pls
Yes I. Bus as scum. But i always give clear outs.
I'm pretty sure thus flip confirm chz as town too.
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On February 28 2014 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Cause you were around deadline but didn't vote for her cause the death of any of you is equally bad for your team, and that when you were at danger of getting lynched by a random mood of Chyz.
Where's your townie self-preservation instinct?
Where is the proof.
I didn't see the flip till 5min after deadline.
This is now beyond stupid
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On February 28 2014 00:56 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 00:51 suki wrote:Mmmm.. I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd MiniI observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity MafiaI observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote This smells to me. One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. this is why vivax should not be ignored
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That's true.
Scum could have easily mislynxhed me and. It take any heat.
I retract what I said before about u pushing suki unproductively
The opposite is true. With a suki gt, its likely scum would feel a need to intervene.
Jjd does fit this mould. I'm going off memory here but I think he called suki town for unknown reasons. I.e. I was scum because he thought she was super town.
Need to have a read of things
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Well vivax claim is relatively self confirming with kp fixed at 1 with no vig role.
If scum have an Rb and vivax claimed vig with intent to be Rb its OK too since we lynched the gf. Scum run a high risk of letting a potential cop get a check off by holding the Rb, so overall its a win win situation for town.
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Jesus Christ wave.
There's already one retard in this game with toad
I'm not scum...
Seriously.. If vivax was town why would suki unvote to then vote me
Nit a requird move given she called me town prior
What's the motivation... Simple.. I'm a mislynch and vivax isn't.
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I didn't check suki scum game to see if she is a busser.
Based on her cases I thought she wasn't, thus to me chz looks good
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Gum I'm on a very similar page
With 2 in that list of 3
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Didn't u vote me cav......
Or am I getting confused?
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On February 28 2014 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm still bothered about suki bithing about the thread atmosphere when Mocsta was up for lynch.
In what way?
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On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here.
U talking about deadline?
I wasn't here
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On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:12 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that. Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV.
That's a lie
In lxiv I was town
In lxiv restart I only called buddies scum if Ppl I was close to was on them.
Like your he did this once thing is annoying and completely is devoid of context
U could argue I was wishy washy o. Suki because because IMA goon
Or u could argue I was wishy washy on suki because everyone shit on me and called me scum resulting in a lack of confidence in my read
I mean i dont het you at all rayn, if town but we can talk post game
So much of how u r playing regarding me reminds me of GoT... Sigh
I'm trying my hardest not to take it personal with my read on u, but u r making it difficult
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RayniI can't believe that is what u produced
I infiltrated town and was playing for end game.
No way the trajectories of this game are following the same path
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So I'm really conflicted on JJD.
On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way.
On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote: I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe. Guess its the latter Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere? Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes: I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead. Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. Note the votecount just before this post
+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount
Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern
geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz
TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki
Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript
JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript
gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks
WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
suki (2) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet
Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki
Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho
Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural.
Where it becomes awry for me is:
On February 28 2014 06:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time. I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was town On February 28 2014 06:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. The timing is just really really bad given the flip, and I'm not completely sold why JJD felt it was better to attempt to ensure I should be lynched over Suki (given his fixation with Gumshoe)
Its possibly answered by:
On February 28 2014 06:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:
Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one. And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's <not> like I'm pushing for her to be lynched. I added the <not>; but overall, it leaves me 50/50.
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