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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:30 GMT
#528
And don't start the 100% shit. I don't take it at face value even when marv does it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:35 GMT
#532
On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.

So which cases are not bad so far today?

Do you have a scumread yet?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:39 GMT
#536
##Unvote
You know what Rayn, I'll trust you. I just remembered something about you that I remembered earlier but you made me respond to your shitcase and I forgot it.
On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?

I'm pretty sure that gumshoe said scum OR nervous/baiting.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:41 GMT
#540
On February 26 2014 13:39 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?


It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to.

But I thought it wasn't a 'trap?'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:43 GMT
#542
On February 26 2014 13:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No actually Wave there is something behind this that i don't understand and gumshoe needs to explain. He is saying different things.

Oh I'm still committed to getting to the bottom of this but I'm more comfortable with YOU right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:48 GMT
#547
On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.

This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:54 GMT
#555
On February 26 2014 13:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.

So which cases are not bad so far today?

Do you have a scumread yet?

Gumshoe?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:54 GMT
#556
Lol you're under a lot of pressure atm.
Answer mine when you can, get to the other stuff first.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:10 GMT
#565
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:14 GMT
#570
On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?

I retract from my townread on gumshoe.

Well that's stupid.
What about your own meta shit on him?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:15 GMT
#571
On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?


I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.

Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?

In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?


I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.


Okay two questions:
1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason?
2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?

1) Eh. Not necessarily true.
2) Am interested in answer.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:17 GMT
#574
On February 26 2014 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?

I retract from my townread on gumshoe.

Well that's stupid.
What about your own meta shit on him?

I thought i knew what he was doing, apparently i didn't.
Also my read on Mocsta or anyone has nothing to do with their read on gumshoe (like i don't do connection cases - i didn't think yo uare scum because you think my townread is scum).

So big coincidence that me and Mocsta were two people to have attacked gumshoe at that point?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:20 GMT
#576
On February 26 2014 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course (1) is true Wave. As town you can always explain why you do stuff.

But I appreciate gumshoe's answer to that---sometimes you're just following a train of thought and you're trying to get a specific answer with a specific question. I do that all the time.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:26 GMT
#578
EBWOP: *not trying to get a specific answer
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 05:27 GMT
#580
The question is what was gumshoe's train of thought that led him to ask those questions? The lack of followup can be explained by suki not responding then leaving but there's that feeling of being left high and dry.

I'm done pursuing gumshoe for now---if he keeps up this activity I believe his alignment will be pretty evident.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 06:32 GMT
#618
On February 26 2014 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 15:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.



Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you).

How do you expect a scum Geript to play?

What? I think he is scummy.


See I dont get that from your posts, you portray him as misguided and foolish, is that the same as scummy to you?

Well that's why i said "misguided or "misguided" ".
I don't know what he is yet, if i had to say i'd say scum because he made really bad cases last game he was scum in but i need to see more from him.

Thought this myself but meh to meta.
WTB Toad and HF back in this thread.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 07:28 GMT
#622
On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?


What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it.

That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.

Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other.

Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events.

The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript).

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored.

Interesting perspective.
I'm curious though, why bring this up now after gumshoe has all but been questioned to death and people are attempting to move on?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 12:48 GMT
#681
Phoneposting:
So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.

Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list

Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.

I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 12:57 GMT
#689
Rayn when you get the chance since you're the master of all things gumshoe:
Can you find me a towngame where he gets martyry-y and/or incessantly discusses his own meta?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 13:00 GMT
#690
Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people
Is that weird?
Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript.
Why?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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