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gumshoe
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On February 26 2014 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's why i said "misguided or "misguided" ".  I don't know what he is yet, if i had to say i'd say scum because he made really bad cases last game he was scum in but i need to see more from him. Fair enough, Im done for tonight ( : night town. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself. Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. I havent even posted yet 0_0 and your already taking back your scum read on me? I'll answer anyways, I wasnt just sheeping moc on suki, suki was the first thing that bugged me in thread so I went looking for other peoples opinions on her to get more reads. The fact that Moc was on a similar page with me right off the bat gave me confidence in him, like we were starting from the same place. Also having just played an extremely toxic game with him, I can say his play is completely reasonable in comparison. You accuse the combination of those two points of being a narrative? Well of course It's a narrative, I always have one, it makes my posting easier to read and makes the argument better, besides, there is always an actual story going on, my attempting to find it is not manipulation, just me trying to base my reads off more than just mistakes, something both townies and scum can make. If you take issue with the above you are critiquing my overall play, not my alignment. Furthermore, as opposed to taking my post at face value, as a sort of double off the cuff read(thats reasonable because they were attacking each other), you are unknowingly(or knowingly) crafting a narrative of me crafting a narrative 0_o. Am I wrong? How is your story better or less suspect than mine? Speaking of hypocricy, you call WOS out for flip flopping on me, but have now done the same after each vocal townie has straight up said they will not vote for me atm. The difference is I spoke to Wos and we argued our grievances out, whereas you fought me over a single piece of posting that has already been discussed to death, then back tracked and said the rest of my play is townie after I was no longer a viable target. I mean, did you just read my opening post and stop there? The rest of my filter, that you consider active and towny, was there when you started / : Supposedly you 'read' gsl and thats why you developed your opinion, but meh, if I was accusing someone I would at least wait till they come back before I drop my read, even if I'm not that confident in it anymore. Otherwise what was the point? As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand. These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now. Geript In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i read that and i agree with you. Holy flaire is not a town read of Moc's, Suki is, it makes sense Moc would be more incline to talk to Suki. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually just fuck it. I am really sure Mocsta is mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: Mocsta Really? You think hed play this calm after rolling mafia 6 times in a row or something? I'm telling you, that kind of frustration doesn't dissipate and it's not there in his play. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads. Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please. Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives? I dont care what he said, I've read the two games and they line up, I find similar intangling reasoning that doesnt always lead somewhere and a touch of hostility, No major diffrence present. Suki has first hand experience with his shoddy play as town yet elects to consider him scum. I also think her points on how Moc was opportunistic on me underscores the actual events, in which he brought up reasonable points against me and I adressed them. So he dropped those points at a time when suspecting me was perfectly viable. I dont think her cases are coming from a place of sincerity, that her top scum read happens to be the guy who attacked her at the start is pretty damm convenient and I expected her of all people to defend Chyz for playing sloppy. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i have absolutely no idea where your read on geript has come from, it basically is "he could do this as mafia so scummy". And i don't know what anything you said about Vivax is about. So no gumshoe, i don't understand a single portion of that post. 1: Your misunderstanding, I mean he can do this as town, you keep misunderstanding me and it's getting annoying. 2: Vivax accused Wos of flip flopping on me, did the same with less push to do so, seemingly only did cause I wasnt getting lynched. He also crafted a narrative about how I crafted a narrative, and disregarded the rest of my filter for over day, after which he found me townie for said filter. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck Holyflare that post made me think bad thoughts. Why would you even ask that about Ange? Don't make me the worst mafia player ever ok? Can you not give out 100 percent town reads if your just going to retract them 5 seconds later? Your uncharacteristically insecure this game, jumping back and forth as the wind takes you, what gives? (See, I can make shitty generalizations about your posts too.) | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 27 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well gumshoe has proven he is familiar with his meta and he just played scum with me in that game so he knows what i know. It's not impossible for him to intentionally "dumb down" his play from informed to "uninformed". yes suki is a questionmark aswell. 1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote: Your case on suki: is my case on suki: Sorry didnt see yours ) : credit where it's due, I bow to your superior forsight, so can we lynch her? | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. | ||
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gumshoe
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You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:26 Vivax wrote: I thought you were town cause you sounded a lot more confident than in GSL, but now you sound TOO confident gum. Do I Vax?! DO I !!!! | ||
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gumshoe
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K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Suki reads very town to me. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up. Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made. So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. ##Vote: Jar Jar | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:07 suki wrote: Sorry wave what exactly are you calling me scummy for? Also I did not say that mocsta was scum for his reads not evolving andi don't know how you got that from my case on him. Suki, what do you think of Jar Jar? Why did you feel that the Chyz's poor play was scummy, even though it was similar to his newbie town play youd encountered in newbie LI? A game in which you exploited his shoddy play in order to get him mislynched. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted. Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that. I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts. Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scum I am responding to the bolded. 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. 2: The post was not a joke,it was a mock, he was pissed at you, a sign of his rising aggression, so you dodged onto me. 3: The accusation is you have no real reasoning for your read on Suki, it doesn't matter if you were asked about it, you opted not to back up your claim. 4: It's possible your scum buddying her and shes town, or she could just as easily be scum and your backing her up, while shes able to avoid commenting on you, thereby not quite buddying back. Doesnt change how flawed your faith in her is. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: [/b]So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. #Geript. | ||
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There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? | ||
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