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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 06:24 GMT
#614
On February 26 2014 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 26 2014 15:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.



Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you).

How do you expect a scum Geript to play?

What? I think he is scummy.


See I dont get that from your posts, you portray him as misguided and foolish, is that the same as scummy to you?

Well that's why i said "misguided or "misguided" ".
I don't know what he is yet, if i had to say i'd say scum because he made really bad cases last game he was scum in but i need to see more from him.


Fair enough, Im done for tonight ( : night town.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:38 GMT
#924
On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote:
After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself.

Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different.

Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised.


I havent even posted yet 0_0 and your already taking back your scum read on me? I'll answer anyways, I wasnt just sheeping moc on suki, suki was the first thing that bugged me in thread so I went looking for other peoples opinions on her to get more reads. The fact that Moc was on a similar page with me right off the bat gave me confidence in him, like we were starting from the same place. Also having just played an extremely toxic game with him, I can say his play is completely reasonable in comparison. You accuse the combination of those two points of being a narrative? Well of course It's a narrative, I always have one, it makes my posting easier to read and makes the argument better, besides, there is always an actual story going on, my attempting to find it is not manipulation, just me trying to base my reads off more than just mistakes, something both townies and scum can make.

If you take issue with the above you are critiquing my overall play, not my alignment.

Furthermore, as opposed to taking my post at face value, as a sort of double off the cuff read(thats reasonable because they were attacking each other), you are unknowingly(or knowingly) crafting a narrative of me crafting a narrative 0_o. Am I wrong? How is your story better or less suspect than mine?

Speaking of hypocricy, you call WOS out for flip flopping on me, but have now done the same after each vocal townie has straight up said they will not vote for me atm. The difference is I spoke to Wos and we argued our grievances out, whereas you fought me over a single piece of posting that has already been discussed to death, then back tracked and said the rest of my play is townie after I was no longer a viable target. I mean, did you just read my opening post and stop there? The rest of my filter, that you consider active and towny, was there when you started / : Supposedly you 'read' gsl and thats why you developed your opinion, but meh, if I was accusing someone I would at least wait till they come back before I drop my read, even if I'm not that confident in it anymore. Otherwise what was the point?

As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand.

These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now.

Geript

In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:40 GMT
#926
On February 27 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 27 2014 06:32 Holyflare wrote:
kiterayn, why does mocsta hate me so much?

also read this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=40#794

Yes i read that and i agree with you.


Holy flaire is not a town read of Moc's, Suki is, it makes sense Moc would be more incline to talk to Suki.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:41 GMT
#927
##:Vote Suki
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:46 GMT
#930
On February 27 2014 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually just fuck it. I am really sure Mocsta is mafia.
##unvote
##Vote: Mocsta


Really? You think hed play this calm after rolling mafia 6 times in a row or something? I'm telling you, that kind of frustration doesn't dissipate and it's not there in his play.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:47 GMT
#931
On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads.

Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please.



Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 22:55 GMT
#935
On February 27 2014 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:47 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads.

Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please.



Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count.

Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives?


I dont care what he said, I've read the two games and they line up, I find similar intangling reasoning that doesnt always lead somewhere and a touch of hostility, No major diffrence present. Suki has first hand experience with his shoddy play as town yet elects to consider him scum. I also think her points on how Moc was opportunistic on me underscores the actual events, in which he brought up reasonable points against me and I adressed them. So he dropped those points at a time when suspecting me was perfectly viable. I dont think her cases are coming from a place of sincerity, that her top scum read happens to be the guy who attacked her at the start is pretty damm convenient and I expected her of all people to defend Chyz for playing sloppy.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 23:18 GMT
#953
On February 27 2014 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i have absolutely no idea where your read on geript has come from, it basically is "he could do this as mafia so scummy". And i don't know what anything you said about Vivax is about.

So no gumshoe, i don't understand a single portion of that post.


1: Your misunderstanding, I mean he can do this as town, you keep misunderstanding me and it's getting annoying.

2: Vivax accused Wos of flip flopping on me, did the same with less push to do so, seemingly only did cause I wasnt getting lynched. He also crafted a narrative about how I crafted a narrative, and disregarded the rest of my filter for over day, after which he found me townie for said filter.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 23:21 GMT
#957
On February 27 2014 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck Holyflare that post made me think bad thoughts. Why would you even ask that about Ange? Don't make me the worst mafia player ever ok?


Can you not give out 100 percent town reads if your just going to retract them 5 seconds later? Your uncharacteristically insecure this game, jumping back and forth as the wind takes you, what gives? (See, I can make shitty generalizations about your posts too.)
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 00:07 GMT
#983
On February 27 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 27 2014 09:02 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kinda into Mocsta, geript idk, maybe gumshoe mafia?


Did you compare gumshoe's meta to GSL? Feels a lot different to me.
Agree on geript though.

I'd throw WoS in there though, still gotta hear from ange7, and I wouldn't discount suki yet, but I still got to dive her filter. Did I miss anyone else?

Well gumshoe has proven he is familiar with his meta and he just played scum with me in that game so he knows what i know. It's not impossible for him to intentionally "dumb down" his play from informed to "uninformed".

yes suki is a questionmark aswell.


1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 00:12 GMT
#987
On February 27 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 27 2014 09:07 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:02 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kinda into Mocsta, geript idk, maybe gumshoe mafia?


Did you compare gumshoe's meta to GSL? Feels a lot different to me.
Agree on geript though.

I'd throw WoS in there though, still gotta hear from ange7, and I wouldn't discount suki yet, but I still got to dive her filter. Did I miss anyone else?

Well gumshoe has proven he is familiar with his meta and he just played scum with me in that game so he knows what i know. It's not impossible for him to intentionally "dumb down" his play from informed to "uninformed".

yes suki is a questionmark aswell.


1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T


Your case on suki:
Show nested quote +

As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand.

These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now.


is my case on suki:

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On February 27 2014 03:44 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote:
Case on TheChyz

TheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating.

He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of.

Says this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.


Then votes geript with a pretty awful case.
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On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript


This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak.

Show nested quote +
Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were.

TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral?

Show nested quote +
Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right.


This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done.

Other people's cases on TheChyz

In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz.

I like JJD's case:
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On February 26 2014 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote:
JJd, since you are here.

Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.

(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall)

Suki reads very town to me.


Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like:

- Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all.

- He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic

- I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy.

doesn't sit right.

Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence.


I don't think Mocsta's case is that good.

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On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?

As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm.

Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either.

I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious).

I don't agree with:
Show nested quote +
The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town.
He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player.
Very scummy.

TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad.

Show nested quote +

On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote:
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him

This is a guy that is intentionally trying to dodge giving out any insight AND THAT is scummy.


I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour.

Show nested quote +
In summary:
Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process.
He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum.
He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads.
Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki).

I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated.

Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning

- - -

SUMMARY

I think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him.

Scummy things:
1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere
2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks)
3. not pushing his scum reads.
4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum.

I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy.

Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point.

mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute.



Do you always write at such length to come to the conclusion of "weak"? Why waste your time writing all that just to say that he might be or might not be scum when you could be spending it coming to something conclusive, like pressuring him as I've seen you do in your other games.


Sorry didnt see yours ) : credit where it's due, I bow to your superior forsight, so can we lynch her?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 00:24 GMT
#995
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 00:26 GMT
#997
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 00:27 GMT
#1000
On February 27 2014 09:26 Vivax wrote:
I thought you were town cause you sounded a lot more confident than in GSL, but now you sound TOO confident gum.


Do I Vax?! DO I !!!!
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:05 GMT
#1070
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.

K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far.

But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc.

Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again.

Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:


Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.

Suki reads very town to me.


Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to.

and finally back onto me.

OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up.


Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.

I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game.

I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made.

So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.

##Vote: Jar Jar
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:11 GMT
#1075
On February 27 2014 11:07 suki wrote:
Sorry wave what exactly are you calling me scummy for? Also I did not say that mocsta was scum for his reads not evolving andi don't know how you got that from my case on him.



Suki, what do you think of Jar Jar?

Why did you feel that the Chyz's poor play was scummy, even though it was similar to his newbie town play youd encountered in newbie LI? A game in which you exploited his shoddy play in order to get him mislynched.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:41 GMT
#1086
On February 27 2014 11:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far.
Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted.


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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc.
Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:
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On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that.


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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
Suki reads very town to me.

I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts.


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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scum



I am responding to the bolded.

1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

2: The post was not a joke,it was a mock, he was pissed at you, a sign of his rising aggression, so you dodged onto me.

3: The accusation is you have no real reasoning for your read on Suki, it doesn't matter if you were asked about it, you opted not to back up your claim.

4: It's possible your scum buddying her and shes town, or she could just as easily be scum and your backing her up, while shes able to avoid commenting on you, thereby not quite buddying back. Doesnt change how flawed your faith in her is.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:42 GMT
#1088
On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum

So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now.
Useful.
[/b]

#Geript.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:49 GMT
#1090
On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?

I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.

Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.

There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.



There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 27 2014 02:59 GMT
#1093
On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?

I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.

Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.

There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.



There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment.

I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing?


Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right?
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