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On February 26 2014 10:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little. yeah sure I'll stick around for another 30 minutes or so I think, still need to watch another episode of nisekoi
Will there be gifs?
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On February 26 2014 10:46 suki wrote:I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see. Show nested quote +Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions.
This is actually not a meta-read at all.
This is going to be a complicated sentence:
Personally I just assumed that Toad saw Rayn directly assuming Toad was asking about millers because he himself was one and saw that as something a towny would assume. I didn't really find that particularly alignment indicative.
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On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia.
The only thing it could be is my subtle joke at his PYP: LoL scumslip of using QT tags in thread. How he takes that as me implying he is scum and then furthering the suspicion across like three posts is beyond me. In fact, there should be no way anyone else picks up on that, especially people who weren't in that game. (Maybe why he asked you, but still, really subtle.)
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Yeah Toad defs town.
Toad I don't take any issue with Geript's first post really but reading his second I can't actually tell if he knew what was going on or not. If he doesn't know what's going on his thought process makes some degree of sense to me in that the ;townreads for silly reasons' has some merit to it, but then he talks about trolling and counter-trolling which sort of negates that making sense at all.
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On February 26 2014 10:50 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:46 suki wrote:I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see. Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions. This is actually not a meta-read at all. This is going to be a complicated sentence: Personally I just assumed that Toad saw Rayn directly assuming Toad was asking about millers because he himself was one and saw that as something a towny would assume. I didn't really find that particularly alignment indicative. I didn't understand the sentence but the bolded part is wrong cuz millers aren't self aware
Yes, and as I said earlier, I didn't pick up on that.
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On February 26 2014 10:53 TheChyz wrote:Nothing to do with reads, just the way your playing. Back in that game it seemed like you and vivax/kush were just posting to fill up the thread and waste the day. Here it seems more like your actually trying to scum hunt. That combined with the fact you haven't claimed scum yet 
Are you a smurf?
Mocsta is perfectly capable of playing a strong scumgame and 'scumhunting.'
I chose the volcano so someone else can choose the path this time.
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On February 26 2014 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Wave what's your conclusion on me, Toad and geript?
I'm not entirely convinced by the Rayn-Toad interaction. I have Toad as town for feels-type reasons. I'm going to need longer on you and Geript. As I recently said I'm not sure what it means for Geript to have not-quite-understood what was going on between the two of you, and there is some 'similarity-to-my-thoughts' going on in his posting, so I can't make a call on him yet.
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On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom. I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track. Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post. as an aside: I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not. WaveWhat is your actual issue with my play so far? I didn't really have one until this post. Where do you see that I have taken issue with your play? That's really fucking weird, Mocsta. Hmmm I misinterpretted. A lot of times you are referencing me its about gumshoe. Carry on.
Can you explain exactly how you made this mistake? I looked through my posts and it seems pretty clear as to who I'm referencing when I talk to or about you or gumshoe.
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On February 26 2014 11:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom. I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track. Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post. as an aside: I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not. WaveWhat is your actual issue with my play so far? I didn't really have one until this post. Where do you see that I have taken issue with your play? That's really fucking weird, Mocsta. Hmmm I misinterpretted. A lot of times you are referencing me its about gumshoe. Carry on. Can you explain exactly how you made this mistake? I looked through my posts and it seems pretty clear as to who I'm referencing when I talk to or about you or gumshoe. In my head you were attacking me constantly/protecting Suki. I swapped over to computer and ctrl+f mocsta much less references than I thought.
kk.
You and I seem to be on the same page about TheChyz so that's a start for us. Anything you want to discuss?
On February 26 2014 11:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i actually do have one scumread but i am pretty sure it's not because of what you see.
Ooo!
Is it me?
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On February 26 2014 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In fact yes, it is.
Yay!!
It just wouldn't be a game with you without it.
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On February 26 2014 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave can you explain your comment about the Survivor game in response to Holyflare's game? What do you mean.
Also why did you question Mocsta about the gumshoe/you mistake? Why was it possible it's alignment indicative?
Inside joke Rayn.
Current Champions only.
As for Mocsta, because I wanted to see the context of him backing off. As scum it's often difficult to simply back off a read, but in this case as scum he would have jumped on me for literally no reason which just looks awful on him---so with his explanation it means he's scum who jumped on for a purposefully terrible reason and backed down even though he knew it would make him look bad, or he is telling the truth---which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. I choose option #2.
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On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of?
Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.
Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?
In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
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On February 26 2014 11:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave can you explain your comment about the Survivor game in response to Holyflare's game? What do you mean.
Also why did you question Mocsta about the gumshoe/you mistake? Why was it possible it's alignment indicative? Inside joke Rayn. Current Champions only. As for Mocsta, because I wanted to see the context of him backing off. As scum it's often difficult to simply back off a read, but in this case as scum he would have jumped on me for literally no reason which just looks awful on him---so with his explanation it means he's scum who jumped on for a purposefully terrible reason and backed down even though he knew it would make him look bad, or he is telling the truth---which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. I choose option #2. Ehh.. There is nothing alignment indicative in misreading someone's post and him calling you out because of it is definitely not alignment indicative. He just made a mistake, as town, or as scum. Therefore it's equally easy to back off from it as either alignment as it's a honest mistake in the first place.
Thanks for restating what I already said.
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On February 26 2014 11:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like why would he intentionally say you did something you didn't as mafia?
WIFOMy reasons, but as I said I find that a pretty convoluted play and unlikely for him to try as it's too easy for it to backfire.
Rayn you going to elaborate on your scumread and begin the inevitbale tunnel, or is that what we're already doing?
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Wormhole.
Gumshoe, let's get a read from you on someone that doesn't depend mostly/solely on meta.
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On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So do you find it likely that right out of the gate, scum gumshoe drops a townread on his scumbuddy Mocsta?
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On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip?
HF can you explain your earlier scumcatch? I'm too lazy to go back and actually read Scooby-Doo mafia to figure out who you caught here.
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On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful? You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that!
Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though.
##Vote: gumshoe
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On February 26 2014 11:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? HF can you explain your earlier scumcatch? I'm too lazy to go back and actually read Scooby-Doo mafia to figure out who you caught here. I'd like to let it pan out a bit before I'm sure on it
Sounds good.
Thoughts on gumshoe?
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On February 26 2014 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I find Wave's vote on gumshoe to be absolute crap.
K Rayn, keep it up buddeh.
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