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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 00:39 GMT
#250
On February 26 2014 09:37 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Harry Potter is mafia btw.


Care to explain?

In Hogwarts mafia

Potter was scum
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 00:42 GMT
#256
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 00:43 GMT
#259
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either


So are you saying I'm scummy?

Scummiest so far, yes
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 00:55 GMT
#280
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either


So are you saying I'm scummy?

Scummiest so far, yes


So then why isn't your vote on me?

This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.-
And something I throw out as scum all the time.

Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.

Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 00:56 GMT
#283
February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I coached Cavalinho in the last (ongoing) newbie game so no explanations yet.

Cool beans, alright.
Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her?
[/B]
Don't make me log onto a comp wave

I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh

Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:05 GMT
#297
Rayn

Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:07 GMT
#300
On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either


So are you saying I'm scummy?

Scummiest so far, yes


So then why isn't your vote on me?

This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.-
And something I throw out as scum all the time.

Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.

Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??


lol what.

##vote Mocsta

I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.

Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked).
suki.

I am confused why u r actually voting me.

U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy.

Can u go into more detail please.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:19 GMT
#311
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest

Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:44 GMT
#339
On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.

WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading
On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning.
The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom.

I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track.
Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post.

as an aside:
I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not.
Wave
What is your actual issue with my play so far?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:51 GMT
#351
On February 26 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:44 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.

WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning.
The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom.

I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track.
Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post.

as an aside:
I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not.
Wave
What is your actual issue with my play so far?

I didn't really have one until this post.

Where do you see that I have taken issue with your play?
That's really fucking weird, Mocsta.

Hmmm

I misinterpretted. A lot of times you are referencing me its about gumshoe.

Carry on.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:51 GMT
#353
On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia.

This is correct, my bad.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:52 GMT
#356
On February 26 2014 10:51 TheChyz wrote:
Hi all. Mocsta seems pretty town to me atm. In his last game (as scum, GSL open mini) his contributions in the middle of day 2 or 3 were worse than they seem right now.

geript, why is it unlikely that rayn and toad can't be scum together?

erm... what has Day2 or 3 reads as scum, got to do with my reads now in day 1?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 01:56 GMT
#365
On February 26 2014 10:53 TheChyz wrote:
Nothing to do with reads, just the way your playing. Back in that game it seemed like you and vivax/kush were just posting to fill up the thread and waste the day. Here it seems more like your actually trying to scum hunt. That combined with the fact you haven't claimed scum yet

Yeah, i get that, but the point im stating is the phases int he game you are comparing are not comparable.

Day1, both town and scum have the same objective.

Day2, 3 objectives change based on lynches and how the game progresses.

Comparing my scum playing in Day2 has nothing to do with how I play scum Day1.



In other words, Gumshoe reasons for calling me town were completely genuine and based on scumqt discussion (which i dont expect ppl like WoS to get).

Your reasons for calling me town are fallacious. This doesn't mean i think you are scum, but it does mean I will be paying attention to what your future contributions are.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:07 GMT
#380
On February 26 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:44 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.

WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning.
The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom.

I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track.
Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post.

as an aside:
I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not.
Wave
What is your actual issue with my play so far?

I didn't really have one until this post.

Where do you see that I have taken issue with your play?
That's really fucking weird, Mocsta.

Hmmm

I misinterpretted. A lot of times you are referencing me its about gumshoe.

Carry on.


Can you explain exactly how you made this mistake? I looked through my posts and it seems pretty clear as to who I'm referencing when I talk to or about you or gumshoe.
In my head you were attacking me constantly/protecting Suki.

I swapped over to computer and ctrl+f mocsta
much less references than I thought.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:14 GMT
#389
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:16 GMT
#394
On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either

Thats funny JJD.

Suki responded to the points directly afterwards. Anymore cherry picking you want to do?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:23 GMT
#407
On February 26 2014 11:20 TheChyz wrote:
I'm not sure if this is because this is how he plays but holyflare has been making jokes all day 1. Seems like an easy way to get a free pass on the first day if everybody just knows your gonna joke around. The time for joking 24/7 is over I think, is there anything useful you plan on doing this day holyflare, or just gonna draw some more?

Hes playing to his 'really small mafia" town meta

If town, he will snap out of it (like in that game).
If he continues to be useless then hes playing to his "back to basics" scum meta. Lynch wid fyre.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:25 GMT
#409
On February 26 2014 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Well this is a bad post.

Are you going to tell me now that all our IRC conversations about Toad were lies?

In my opinion, if you are town, and you dont respect a players ability as town you tend to avoid reading their alignment (e.g. Slam)

Early game you are chasing ppl you feel confident about reading that can help you.

Frankly, the reason I asked your opinion on wave was because I thought we could be useful together if you are town since we just played scum together.
Given that decision I took, it is indeed odd to me you did the same but with Toad.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:33 GMT
#414
On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 02:37 GMT
#417
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?
hmm I didnt get WoS point about and/or

But rereading this from JJD post, I noticed something stick out to me.

The stuff in red/blue is the biggest load of marketing crap I have read in this game so far.
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