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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
February 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#1621
On February 28 2014 07:05 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:04 Ange777 wrote:
Guys, I'm leaving now. Might have another look before I fall asleep but I won't be there for deadline. If there is anything I need to address, tell me now.


Yeah, vote Moc pls.

Told you why I voted suki insteand of Mocsta.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
February 28 2014 11:10 GMT
#1953
I don't have much time today either and I will definitely not be around at deadline.

I was reading the conversaton shortly before the flip and I am curious about Chyz.

On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.

However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.

Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc?

Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will

@Chyz: The first part sounds like you did prefer a Vivax or suki lynch. Why didn't you switch your (wasted) vote from geript to suki to ensure that she would be lynched instead of your lesser scum read Mocsta?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
February 28 2014 11:15 GMT
#1954
On February 28 2014 18:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 18:29 Vivax wrote:
Well, on the last two first. I found Chyz townie for that comment on wanting to lynch me even if I were a townie. Like, scum knows I'm town and mostly feels like I'm hardly attackable since the claim so they would not put it out there that the claim means jack to them and they would lynch me even knowing I'm town.

Overall the guy has said a few things that can come from newbie town, like lynching who is useless and not who is scum.

The above conclusion is based on the premise that scum is afraid to piss off/draw attention from townies that they can't get lynched anyway.

Cavalinho would need massive balls to do what he did as scum and his post flip reaction was similar to mine, so I went with town for that moment. But I still gotta read his filter with my scumhunting goggles on.

About JarJar I can say however that if he's scum he had massive balls too since gumshoe had been riding on the argument that he's scum for townreading suki all day long. And since suki was a very possible lynch he should have gotten cold feet at some point and reacted to gumshoe's pressure in a way that would be evident for somebody knowing her alignment.

On Chyz that is a really good point actually.

Dunno if i agree about Cavalinho. Do you mean it takes balls to call himself "right" after being on "wrong" lynch? Or what?

Also JJD, why would it take balls? I mean after the argument is on, he can't just go "okay okay, suki is in fact scummy" if he is scum and already decided to not call suki mafia.

@Vivax: Can you explain this again please?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
February 28 2014 11:45 GMT
#1963
On February 28 2014 20:19 Vivax wrote:
Dunno, I think we got a scared or lazy scum team given that the pre-lynch resistance against suki's lynch comes mostly from people I believe to be town.

Like, if scum had any hope to deflect that lynch it was by pushing Mocsta. Hard and well before suki got all that attention upon her.

JJD preferred gumshoe who was a more unlikely lynch and Mocsta was just kind of a meh vote, so I have my doubts about him being scum.

This is a novel argument btw. The one you want me to touch upon is that I think JJD wouldn't go all out and simply call her town when being poked for it. At least there should be some reasoning cause he would know he'd be called out for it later.

But I prefer the former points as explanation to this one.

Ok, I can agree with that about JJD for now. To be honest, I don't think you would have gotten lynched regardless of the claim.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 14:37 GMT
#2280
I'm here now and catching up.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:24 GMT
#2297
I'm phoneposting, so no quotes sorry. I read through the game and went through the filters of the 4 people I felt least sure about from just reading the thread: Cav, Chyz, gumshoe and JJD.

I don't believe scum voted for suki. It's far too early for a bus and uncalled for. And with Toad voting Moc, I think it proves that they were trying to save her instead of bussing her for some town cred.

Due to that I don't think gumshoe is scum. His filter also showed how he refuted suki's case on Chyz. If he was scum he should have given her an option to move the lynch to Chyz. Instead he had his case on JJD and made a reasonable vote switch to suki. I think he is town.

For similar reasons I believe Chyz is town. Although he had Toad as a town read and tried to discredit geript's case on Toad, he had the chance to vote for Moc. He could have saved suki but he chose to keep his vote on geript which would be really stupid as scum.

Although Cav vote switched away from suki to Moc, I can see this behaviour coming from the newbie player he claims to be. And in his filter he confused Toad with WoS. Which I don't think would happen if he was scum with Toad. I am less confident in calling him town though compared to the other two, so it's more of a slightly town/maybe nullish read.

Which leaves JJD. I think I'm repeating what others already said before: He had gumshoe marked as scum with the possibility of a gumshow & suki scum team but chose to vote Moc instead of suki. I feel like I found something that exonerated the other three of being scum but there is nothing in JJD's filter that makes me feel like this. By process of elimination JJD is my last scum.

#Vote: JarJarDrinks
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:26 GMT
#2299
I'm also not too sure about geript. If JJD is not the last scum, I'll go back to re-read his filter to see if I would change my mind but for now he is a lesser sure town read.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:39 GMT
#2308
On March 03 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:
Ange, why aren't you taking into account toad's cop claim on cav or the lack of rb on vivax when he was saying he would shoot people that weren't toad in your reads?


Honestly? Because I was too focused with filter diving.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:44 GMT
#2311
I don't think Toad's claim on Cav would have resulted in a red check. There is no need to give up the scum roleblocker in a 1-1 trade when you are already down to 2 scum. Cav is a potential lynch candidate. If he is town, lynching him could have given Toad's claim the credibility to survive longer and/or steer the following lynches as long as he claimed that he got roleblocked. If he is scum, Toad could help Cav to survive longer. But I don't think this contradicts my read on Cav as he is my least sure townish read of those 4.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:51 GMT
#2317
About Vivax: I myself wouldn't have guessed that Vivax was actually going to shoot Toad. So it could have been a risk scum was willing to take. Even if I take this into consideration I don't see how this would change my reads on them. Or am I missing something said by Vivax that would actually influence this?

Why haven't you cast your vote yet HF? What do you think about my reads?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 16:53 GMT
#2318
Why haven't you voted by the way JJD?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 17:03 GMT
#2321
Ok, I read Vivax's filter from Night 1 again. So he bascially names Toad, gumshoe, geript, (JJD) and myself as scummy. If we assume that scum tried to keep the risk of getting shot at a minimum, someone from Vivax's town list would have to be scum. Is that what you are hinting at Holyflare?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 17:14 GMT
#2328
He didn't rule him out completely but posted the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=97#1932
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 17:26 GMT
#2333
You mean the post where Vivax attacked me? No, I assumed he was faking more scum reads to enlarge the range of possible targets for scum. I know my play this game hasn't been overwhelming but I think it's quite clear that I am town and I do think that Vivax has a town read on me as well.

If you do mean the post I linked, I definitely wouldn't have assumed he might shoot me because he didn't even mention me at all.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 17:27 GMT
#2335
Holyflare, in which order would you lynch now through these four people?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 02 2014 17:29 GMT
#2336
Oh :D Ehm ... no, I don't think he'd shoot me if I were JJD.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:23 GMT
#2733
I'm totally fine if you guys want to lynch me because my activity level is incredibly shitty this game. I mean I told you that I'd be very busy. I've done what I could with the limited time I have and if you still think you can't read me and need to policy lynch me go ahead and do it.

But I refuse to get lynched because of your "reasons". Most of these reasons are just a result of me not being able to invest more time into this game (like not posting much or not having any leadership). That post you quoted Vivax was taken totally out of context. I was asked by Holyflare to consider the "red check" in my train of thoughts which is why I answered him at that time. And me voting for suki instead of Mocsta and Chyz without much mentioning her before the vote is another result of me not being able to post all the time whenever I have a new thought. I was trying to catch up completely to be able to cast my vote. While reading, she and Mocsta became my top choices for lynch. And I mean iin the end I even voted for mafia. If you guys really think that I made a 180 degree turn to cast my vote on suki because I wanted to bus her you are wrong. If I was scum why would I even want to bus someone who was more active and probably was going to stay more active in the game than I could ever be???
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:27 GMT
#2734
I haven't had time to properly read any filters but I will try to re-read geript and WoS tomorrow, maybe I need to rethink my read on Chyz as well. I'll be here for another ~30 minutes so if anyone wants to address something directly to me, please do so.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:44 GMT
#2740
Holyflare had a convincing case, mainly these two posts made me change my mind on suki: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=58#1149
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=83#1656

There was nothing I had read from suki which made me change my mind on her being scummy. Yes, I didn't mention her until close to voting but again, that was because I gave up on commenting everything I was reading because that took far too much time.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:46 GMT
#2741
Geript, for people who don't have time to go through an entire different game, can you explain why you call yourself modconfirmed town?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
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