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On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Wave... Don't be scum plzzz  I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird. Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure
I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you.
(Well I don't want to lose, but still.)
Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe?
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Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once?
And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though....
Re-re-reading.
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Nope nvm I'm wrong.
He calls me and Toad town real early.
No explanation why though.
Then calls Cav towny
and then this:
On March 03 2014 09:09 TheChyz wrote:
Also cav, what is the point of wanting to lynch your target? You wanted him lynched before you told us you are cop. If you really are cop that what is the point of lynching your target? Save him for the next night phase so you can actually get a read on him and go after someone else. Makes no sense to me, what was your thought process of wanting to go with the JJD lynch. Looks like it only benefits you if you are scum and nothing else.
Does that post come from scum?
If so, how?
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On March 07 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once?
And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though....
Re-re-reading. The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum.
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On March 07 2014 12:42 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Wave... Don't be scum plzzz I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird. Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe? Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart 2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats. 3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki. I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies. Show nested quote +My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you. Suki Show nested quote +I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. Toad Show nested quote +honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color. As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end.
To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was.
The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually).
Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing).
Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki.
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On March 07 2014 12:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once?
And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though....
Re-re-reading. The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki. Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum. So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything.
That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get.
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On March 07 2014 12:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:42 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Wave... Don't be scum plzzz I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird. Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe? Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart 2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats. 3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki. I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies. My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you. Suki I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. Toad honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color. As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end. To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was. The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually). Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing). Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki. Im sorry wos, your not convincing me that your scum right now, its just not working ) : try to be more persuasive.
lulz.
I'm just trying to pinpoint exactly WHY, if Chyz is the final scum we didn't see it much earlier.
I feel like it's kinda rare for any scum to go fooling an entire thread all game.
Does marv in Shadow game count? Mebbe he does.
Also me in Les Mafia probs.
Hmm.
Is he mimicking his towngame?
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On March 07 2014 12:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:48 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once?
And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though....
Re-re-reading. The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki. Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum. So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything. That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get. Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has.
I disagree.
Having a YOLOvote looks awful, and for good reason.
LOL go look at the votes here in Survivor Series.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/442512-survivor-series-mafia?page=119#2361
THREE PEOPLE had YOLOvotes that day AND WE WERE ALL SCUM.
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I mean, I guess that's probably crazy good evidence for Chyz being scum because maybe he doesn't know how shit it looks?
Also Geript as town doing it threw me off completely, especially considering he said he'd vote suki at one point (I think?)
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LOL I just thought of something funny.
Hey Chyz, which of the three of us is scum and why?
Your life (and the game) appears to depend on this.
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On March 07 2014 13:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 08:49 TheChyz wrote:I read your filter, didn't really find anything. On March 02 2014 07:53 TheChyz wrote:Most of the cases of me being scum seems to do alot with my voting near the deadline. On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.
However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.
Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc? Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will If I was scum then I had an easy chance to take an out. With votes on moc and suki as the majority I was given an out where I could have voted on moc instead of suki. Note this was just 15 minutes before the deadline. Do you guys really think that the person you have been calling noob all game would be able to bus onto their gf and hope to ride the game till the late game when I could have easily made some reason to lynch moc instead. No. I don't care if you think I'm scum because of things I did before since I have played pretty shit but the argument on me for the last few minutes before the lynch is complete and utter garbage.[red] Anyway I don't know what people are thinking but so far the scum targets on mocsta are 2/3 confirmed. Why stop now? The only people that should be up for a lynch should only be JJD and cava unless somebody is able to provide substantial evidence otherwise. Out of the two I think JJD is the scummiest but will have to filter dive them both. Also all this "If you lynch me, please lynch _____ the next day" is utter BS. If you think the other person is scum why wont you make a case. JJD and gum especially haven't made a single decent case on each other lately other than saying "lynch him, hes scum 100%". That doesn't help town in the slightest and is just clogging up the thread with literally useless posts.[red] Open up the nested. He thought one of jjd or cav was scum. Cav checked jjd and what was chyz's first thing to do? "why are we lynching my top scum read" he can easily berate us for doing that if he has the power to kill the cop and then get jjd lynched the next day but he doesn't put up any kind of fight to do it and then never points out or makes cases on anything for the remainder of the game other than on geript who was his original scum read that never got mentioned again till after everyone was dead.
Can we be sure this kind of thing isn't just confirmation bias because we want Chyz to be scum SO SO BAD?
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On March 07 2014 13:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:51 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:42 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Wave... Don't be scum plzzz I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird. Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe? Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart 2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats. 3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki. I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies. My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you. Suki I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. Toad honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color. As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end. To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was. The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually). Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing). Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki. Im sorry wos, your not convincing me that your scum right now, its just not working ) : try to be more persuasive. lulz. I'm just trying to pinpoint exactly WHY, if Chyz is the final scum we didn't see it much earlier. I feel like it's kinda rare for any scum to go fooling an entire thread all game. Does marv in Shadow game count? Mebbe he does. Also me in Les Mafia probs. Hmm. Is he mimicking his towngame? Because until now there were better answers like cav, jar jar, geript, all of which are dead now XD At the start, I figured suki bussing Chyz was the end of it, no way they were scum together, but now that were faced with a bus of some sort, I realize suki wasnt bussing chyz at all, the two of them never intended to vote one another so long as they had a choice and they didn't have to. Chyz was also not in a position to save suki, as he had called her out as a prime choice for his vote earlier and displayed no animosity towards mocsta. This in conjunction with Toads attitude twoards Chyz, leads me to bilieve that he is indeed our answer. On top of that, you and holy in thread right now actively solving the game contradicts the very notion that either of you are scum.
Eh...all we're doing is reiterating the fact that we're lynching Chyz. If one of us is scum there's no reason not to, just to keep it up. That being said, assuming Chyz is scum I wonder what, if anything his plan of action is right now?
Hell, if he's town, is he just going to sit back and let us lose?
I want an answer to my question Chyz.
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On March 07 2014 13:03 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:54 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:48 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once?
And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though....
Re-re-reading. The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki. Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum. So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything. That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get. Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has. I disagree. Having a YOLOvote looks awful, and for good reason. LOL go look at the votes here in Survivor Series. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/442512-survivor-series-mafia?page=119#2361THREE PEOPLE had YOLOvotes that day AND WE WERE ALL SCUM. Were you all lynched for it? Was Geript lynched for it this game? I understand it looks bad to you, but it didnt look bad to me and clearly town agreed because we just started seriously considering a lynch on the yolo voters yesterday.
We should have been.
Keirathi was the only one, and it wasn't for that.
Like we all agreed on Skype that our votes that day were absolutely fucking retarded.
The YOLOvotes have been going through my head specifically for that reason, so maybe you're right that it's only in my head but you should understand that I also did voting analysis in Shadow game along these lines and was completely right (again, not that I followed it properly as the game progressed).
If it's true that I'm one of the only people (if not the only one) in this game who recognizes these kinds of votes to come from scum immediately (at least most of the time, apparently) then we should have lynched geript and Chyz for it ages ago agree, but upon reading the two of them I found both pretty towny. Geript more so than Chyz initially.
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On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote:
Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered
On March 07 2014 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL I just thought of something funny.
Hey Chyz, which of the three of us is scum and why?
Your life (and the game) appears to depend on this.
You know, this game has had an uncanny amount of people actually showing up when questions are asked of them.
It's so odd.
I'm used to asking questions and having them forgotten about for a day until said person gets back 15 hours from the time I asked it and I bug them incessantly.
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On March 07 2014 13:11 Holyflare wrote:
Well this is pretty straightforward. I learnt not to bus from lxiii and never bussed since then. Even in survivor our plan was to bus and i didn't do it. There is no way I'd bus 2 people on day 1 with power roles.
Wave. Suspicious as fuuuckkk!
Chyz, calls toad town, doesn't elaborate, never mentions suki, has her as top 3 scum for no reason, is new so probably hyper paranoid about looking bad on switches, is most probably scum, has 5 pages of filter in a million days (not really indicative because his town game did that too so ignore me I'm rambling at this point) has jjd as top scum read, doesn't want to lynch top scum read. Berates people for not making cases. Has made like no proper cases.
What's suspicious as fuck?
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On March 07 2014 13:12 TheChyz wrote:
I'm assuming gum 100% town. So right now its up to Wos and HF. I know (and so does scum) that if we don't lynch today then the town of those two will be killed and it will be left as me, gum, and the scum. So obviously I would know who scum is at that point 100%. However if I were to guess right now I would have to say WoS. Although I haven't read through WoS's and HF's filters carefully so I am doing that now as fast as possible aswell as trying to answer all these questions.
I look forward to this immensely.
Also Chyz, it may be important to remember that as of right now, we are lynching today, and it's you. So you don't have that 100%.
Get on it.
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On March 07 2014 13:13 Holyflare wrote:
I was kidding
lol I didn't know if you were referring to me or yelling at me that Chyz is suspicious as fuck
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On March 07 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote:
Actually gonna reread you now wave just in case :x
Go fer it
I'd read you but I'm lazy.
Actually now I'm going to.
Wanna post stuff same time?
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I think I'll just post kiterayn pics and be done with it.
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On March 07 2014 13:22 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 13:15 gumshoe wrote:On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote:
Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered Im sorry if youve been asked this before, but why didnt you switch your vote off of geript when we were at 5 5? 2) When you asked that we should lynch someone else cause jar jar was getting modkilled, who did you think we would lynch had we followed your advice? Honestly I just didn't like geript's attitude and it was in spite of him. As mentioned many times before I was around deadline so any I would have been able to vote last minute. Honestly I kinda regret it cause that is what everybody starts a case on me with, is that stupid early voting stuff day 1 and other than that nobody really says anything else unless they are grabbing for things from thin air. I took back my statement because we had something like 30-ish minutes left. And to get town to cooperate in a hectic time frame like that just didn't seem likely. I would have rather gone with a lynch that we talked about for many hours than something cooked up in under an hour. Also I really thought cava was scum b/c of his vote on his check (which still makes no sense to me)
Chyz, did you read the setup of this game?
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