[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot

On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.

On February 08 2014 10:12 Koshi wrote:
pls do Alakaslam. You are on the shortlist to get lynched.

On February 07 2014 07:40 jaybrundage wrote:

Oh look at my in foolishness Im soo cool.



GET ORGINAL SON

On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.

On February 08 2014 12:41 suki wrote:
Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this?

If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good.

On February 08 2014 07:09 suki wrote:
By the way in my first Mafia game ever, I rolled scum and got lynched Day 1.

One of the things that happened was I made some contradiction that people were all calling me out on, and I thought really hard about a way to explain it so it wasn't contradictory. So then I posted my defense, and people were like yeah I guess that sounds reasonable but we're going to lynch you anyways because you're the most scummy.

Afterwards, people were telling me that my defense almost had them convinced and that's where I think people were telling me that they thought I would be a good mafia player.

Sooo in short, JayB being able to explain away his crappy early activity is not a townie point. The fact that he wastes so much effort defending himself and explaining him is a point against him, as per my meta analysis.

On February 08 2014 07:00 suki wrote:


Yeah you mentioned this:



And I noticed it in my meta analysis too.. Frustration is something that I haven't seen from Jay before.

But like..


This just.. He's just giving excuses.

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and this.. so much backtracking. Like... uughh.

In Shadowed Mafia he was top 2 lynch target and he was nothing like this.

On February 08 2014 13:16 suki wrote:
If you're getting lynched it's because you haven't shown your desire to meaningfully contribute to town.

I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now?



Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you.

On February 08 2014 13:41 suki wrote:
Eh. it wasn't my first case against Jay. I already built a case where I referenced his meta but didn't provide quotes. This meta case with colouring is just the follow-up because Balla requested specific quotes.

Notice that I do bring up when he mentions he's #1 mislynch in his town game. Notice the similarity in the 'joking' manner in which he refers to #1 mislynch in his scum games. I have no intention of misrepresenting Jay through my meta case.

On February 08 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:

I don't have a case on Suki but twisting my words twice. And doing it one time with the sole intention of antagonizing me leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Shes either scum tunneling me because it gives her something to do. Or town tunneling me cause she doesn't realize that it negatively effects play.

Her trolling post with the sheep showed that she was trying to shit on me at the beginning. Shit flinging when she was completely wrong in the first post. Again does this seem like town play to you? What do you think Aqua

On February 08 2014 13:52 jaybrundage wrote:
completely wrong in the first place* EBYODP

On February 08 2014 14:18 jaybrundage wrote:
I just looked at Koshi's filter since the last time I said I wasn't gonna tunnel him. I'm null on him atm.

Did it just for you Suki. Now go away.

On February 08 2014 14:37 Balla24 wrote:
Okeydokeyroleypoleyoley, this game is moving along much better than last game IMO. There are more townie people, less questionable people. Obviously this is good. So let's get to it.

The probable mafia for me today are Jonnylaw and Alakaslam. Unfortunately they are both relatively lurky, thus hard to read. However this is in direct contrast to the previous game where they were both spammy and somewhat active for a period during every section of day 1.

Alakaslam has so little content. indeed, tough to read stuff working days and nights. I am trying though, I shouldn't need replace. I get the impression that he doesn't really know what to talk about in this game. this follows naturally from the circumstances. I've expected to see a lot of posts on the verge of being spammy when he is here, related to what he is reading at the current moment. I tend to do this as either alignment but I hear you. Kind of tough for me atm to get more than 15min phone reading time though let alone posting time. He started to do that earlier but didn't really follow through. Makes sense given the circumstances. The things he HAS chosen to talk about are just not helpful to town:



This is his first post. The first thing he decides to talk about is the change in suki and I's play. The same basis for some of the strongest cases in the thread. And I withdrew this as I read on. Mind you, I buckled down pretty quickly and got to business within the first 2 pages of the thread and this post is coming today LONG after everything has settled and there is plenty of real content to talk about. Which is the cause of the problem. I haven't had time to fully catch up at all, resorting to filter out of context & stuff. However I may have more time soon. I MAKE NO PROMISE. I don't understand the reasoning behind this post. What conclusion is he trying to draw? that your play is suspiciously different as of what I had read. I don't see any attempt to draw a conclusion about our alignment. Didn't that turn out for the better? Or should I have voted you based on your first two pages fifteen pages in the thread? I am not unaware of what I do! He leaves it open-ended for us to guess at what he's trying to get at. it is my opinion, and a FoS. That I later withdrew at that but feh, I will beat the dead horse. As if he wanted us to look back at it and say "Wow! These two really were trolly! That must mean they are scum. There had already been discussion on suki about it too. I was and am unaware of that. I must have skimmed over it.
I wanted it duly noted that Alakaslam was not unsuspicious of earlygame trolling by players who had not previously engaged in it. Are you reading some sort of tone into my writing?

If so, I have a montage from YouTube for you. Next post.

Same thing here, I don't understand the intent:
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On his second return to the thread, he becomes more Alakaslam like. ... I am me. Usually my phone prowess means I have time out my ears to read/post, but lately I have been doing work of a driving nature and I can't read and drive. Starts posting inquiries on what he is currently reading. This is good. However it abruptly ends before he even gets to anywhere good within the thread, with him posting some self-meta analysis that he posted last game. I believe my abrupt absences make sense in the context of the new and extreme workload. Irl. I would have expected some conclusions from his read through. the posts are my conclusions. Does my vote that he commented on make me scummy? Town does scummy things and scum does townie things. Show me a game where I was quick to conclusions and I will show you wrong conclusions. Indeed you may be hard pressed for the quick conclusions. Is suki trolling more scummy? There are no conclusions. Slam makes conclusions regardless of how far-fetched they are. you may need to define "conclusions" for me with that statement. Is JB scummy for suggesting that he will policy lurkers and not having his vote on you? Now that I am aware that is the case, yes. Makes it empty policy talk that he is not actually behind. These are the questions I would expect him to be asking himself and posting the conclusions to. asking myself questions? I already know what is going on in my head. I need to find what is going on in others. Used the word "comclusions" again which I question as one questions the use of "inconceivable" in "The Princess Bride" Instead he just makes broad statements and questions about the posts he finds interesting. The posts I am referencing are in the spoilers below, but it's basically just the rest of his posts.

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One more thing:



First off, I don't recall Jaybrundage calling out me and suki for trolling and stuff. Maybe he's talking about Jonnylaw? Regardless of who it is, this is a strange statement because that's literally all he's done himself, and if he's calling JB scummy for that then that's pretty sketchy...

Moving on, Jonnylaw. I feel bad here because of his drunk posting last night and how I said I wanted to ignore it while waiting for Jonny to come back and tell me if they were serious or not. But it's been a while now... his activity level is making me very wary(did I use the right word?) on top of all the other stuff I've already posted about.

So actually, mid-writing this I decide I don't really have anything more to say about Jonny. I'd appreciate if he would try again to refute the points I brought up against him last night, because all drunk jonny did was mis-interpret what I was saying and ignore other stuff then call me scum for my filter which has still not been followed up on. Actually he also did this while he was sober too:



It's actually giving me flashbacks to Normal Mini Mafia 1 vibes where I was scum and I was called scum early by multiple people because of my activity, and unfortunately I wasn't able to re-establish myself in the thread like I would have liked. I'm not sure if that's what's happening here obviously until Jonny gives me some sense that this is not what's happening. Another thing that makes me feel worse about him is that when we are both town, we tend to work very well together, regardless of how clashy our personalities are. We're not working well together. I don't know who he thinks is scum, all I know is he read my filter and thought it smelled bad. Maybe that will change.

The townies

Suki, Aquanim, Hopeless1der all seem to be pushing pro-town things.

Hopeless1der's game is much much different than last and i'm not getting any super bad vibes from him. The things he is doing he seems to have reason for it and anything that is unexplained he seems to have a followup and explanation for it. The things that stuck out to me last game are not apparent here. He is not content to sit around and talk about early game shennanigans, he is not super afk lurky like last time.

Here's where I get the impression he doesn't want to be talking about policy, whereas like I made the case on last game, he is content to do so as scum:



Then there are multiple points where I feel he is asking the right questions, these are things that I want to ask too and there seems to be reasoning behind them.
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Here is an example of where he follows up on something. This was in reference to me asking him about his read on oats, sure it took a little for me to get it out of him but he got it out quickly in response to me. There's logical thinking here, and the desire to learn oats' alignment (and mine, in a previous post).

The trolliness you guys can see on your own in his filter, I think that is more of a town trait for hopeless.

Aquanim is more of the same. He has a natural inquisitive nature that I think is clear in his posting. He's trying to learn people's alignments. A lot of the questions he's asking are questions I would have asked myself, though there are also a lot of easy questions that have obvious answers as well. He's also trying to bring new information to the thread.

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In the first quote is an example of something he does a lot: where he clearly thinks suki is scummy with his followup case on her, so he wants to force her to take a stance on the other possible other people he may or may not think are scummy for obvious reasons. He does this multiple times towards multiple people. The other two are examples of good questions that are attempting to learn more about the person and understand their alignment. Even though the last one is an easy question, it's something that Oats really has to address because it's just a weird thing to say. Everything seems to indicate that Aquanim is very curious, attempting to learn everybody's alignment.

I said earlier that his attempts at starting conversation seemed awkward and he wasn't really getting that done. That's changed drastically and I think he's really getting what he wants from the thread now.

The main thing for Suki is that, while I didn't like her initial cases on people. She defends them as if she really thought what she was saying was true. The koshi case was pretty bad, but she never really backed down from it. The jaybrundage meta case was unexplained, but she followed up with a great case on what she saw. The sidesprang case is one of the few where she does somewhat backdown:



But the way she does it is humble, she doesn't try to stick up for it at all when she realizes how off it is, and actually gives reasoning why it was bad. In contrast, if you remember Koshi's case from last game, when he realized it was bad it was more like "shit yeah this was bad sorry guys peace!" trying to sweep it under the rug.

I'm probably one of the few, but I think that suki's trolling and roleplaying and all that is actually more indicative of a town player. They are more likely to be happy and care-free and attempt to have fun. Now i'm not saying this couldn't come from a scum player who is good at the game (like suki is), but I believe a scum player would be much more serious in attempting to fit in right away with the town, trying to scum hunt, trying to be pro-town etc.

Beyond that I see real attempts at trying to figure out other's alignments, and a curiosity, almost more fierce then anybody else in this game. She has 7 pages of filter already for crying out loud. It's reminiscent of a town koshi, town rayn type player.

Questionables

Everybody else is rather questionable.

I'm getting tired of sidesprang's dissapearing acts. He does this way too much. From the little he has posted he leans town-null. He wants to dispell attacks on him. Hes sharing his opinions on people more freely then last game. It's good.

Lonemeow is playing similar to last game, where I thought he was scum, but he was town... sooooo...... we'll see about him. He posted a lot today, which is good in comparison to last game and the games i've read of him. That means he is somewhat motivated to play this game. We've seen him shut down in a scum game, and he's expressed his hatred for playing scum, so that bodes well for him.

Jaybrundage started off bad pretty bad and since then he hasn't been amazing, but when he explained what was going through his head at the time of the shitstorm in the beginning, it kind of makes sense from a town perspective like others were saying. Lots of OMGUS which is annoying, but maybe it's because all the scum are picking on him so he can't even get anything else out before he is attacked again. And in all seriousness, he isn't actually thinking like me at all. So we'll see what that means at the end I guess lol.

Finally....

##vote Jonnylaw

On February 18 2014 07:06 Toadesstern wrote:
silly game, coag was confirmed mafia the moment he replaced in. First Holy in game #1, sidesprang in game #2, and alakaslam in game#3.

Silly people not able to figure out the pattern