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On February 10 2014 08:04 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:00 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 07:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
If you don't want to lynch him then why bother defending him? Fair point. I haven't decided who I want to lynch today. If it ends up being Oats we'll revisit this. No it's not a fair point. I thought you and I were on the same wavelength here but apparently not lol. If another player thinks your town read of someone is not solid then you need to explain that town read. Having a town read that you can not convince others of being solid is scummy. Even if they might disagree on the reasoning, but as long as it is solid then that's where the conversation can end. Aquanim thinks your town read of Oats is no good, therefore you might be scummy for that, especially if you cant more in-depthly explain.
You have a good point too, but still my conversation with Hopeless will be much more productive once I have an argument of my own, one way or another, on Oats. I'll go see about doing that now.
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@Oatsmaster: You had a scumread on Suki in the earlier part of Day 1. Why did you drop it and what is your read on Suki now?
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On February 10 2014 10:14 Balla24 wrote:
So Aquanim. Which of jay and suki is town?
I reckon they both are town. I'm not completely positive on either of them, though.
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On February 10 2014 10:52 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 10:49 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 10:14 Balla24 wrote:
So Aquanim. Which of jay and suki is town? I reckon they both are town. I'm not completely positive on either of them, though. Reasoning please. Oats, same question to you.
The reasons I think Suki is town are in this post. The tl;dr version is that I feel that her case and push to get JayB lynched was genuine; it's a gut read at best.
As for JayB, he feels like a paranoid, OMGUSing townie to me. Also, that blue claim - though I'm starting to become a little doubtful of that.
My reads on these two have a lot more to do with feelings than with hard facts.
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On February 10 2014 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
no, I think its a waste of my time to defend Jay with so many examples when you clearly dont think so and its night anyway.
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This is day 2. It's not even nighttime in your timezone. Wat?
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On February 10 2014 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not being scummy, you are being crazy.
I'm finding your reasons for this Jay read pretty damn unconvincing as well.
On February 10 2014 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like me having a 'bad' townread that you agree with isnt the only thing that makes me scum is it.
Well your actual contribution to the day 1 lynch was pretty weak. I'm obliged to be at least suspicious of you for that.
(And yes, before you ask, other peoples' contributions to deciding the lynch were pretty weak too, and yes I'm suspicious of them too.)
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On February 10 2014 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 11:44 Balla24 wrote:
Nope, but it is one of the things.
Don't get me wrong here, I don't agree with your town read at all. I think jay is town, but your reasoning is non-existent to me. Seriously. What do you make of his vote at the deadline? What do you make of his reaction early? What do you make of his interactions with jonny? There's so much that you seem to just be ignoring because he had a decent post explaining an afk? What is that? you agree with my townread = you think jay is town too. Also this shit is so easy to fake. If Im scum right? So I know jay is town, so I can make up so much shit.
Yeah I think that's the point - the stuff you've posted so far looks a helluva lot like made-up shit.
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On February 10 2014 11:46 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 11:45 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not being scummy, you are being crazy.
I'm finding your reasons for this Jay read pretty damn unconvincing as well. On February 10 2014 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like me having a 'bad' townread that you agree with isnt the only thing that makes me scum is it.
Well your actual contribution to the day 1 lynch was pretty weak. I'm obliged to be at least suspicious of you for that. (And yes, before you ask, other peoples' contributions to deciding the lynch were pretty weak too, and yes I'm suspicious of them too.) Aquanim what do you think of my post when I responded to you about Suki and Coag. Do you think any of the reasoning I had was valid. What do you think about Oats and Hopeless1der hell throw in sidesprang in there
I think you've illustrated a plausible chain of events for Suki being scum. Besides the meta point, though, I don't think there's much that is directed at convincing me that Suki *can't* be town, merely that she *could* be scum. The tunnel on you in contrast to her previous games is interesting but in different circumstances people play differently - in this case she felt the need to push your lynch hard, since the thread momentum was going in the other direction.
So yeah Suki needs more attention but I don't think I want to drive a wagon on her at this point. Need to see some more.
Regarding Coag I think you've made a good point - he shouldn't really feel this depressed about the game if he's town, I don't think.
As for Oats, Hopeless and Sidesprang I think all three are possible scum. I'd prefer to talk some more with them first before I go with one over the others.
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On February 10 2014 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
So 5 scummy people then aqua?
Yup. There's 40+ hours left in the day, I have confidence in being able to narrow it down in good time before the lynch. You have a problem with that?
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On February 10 2014 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 12:29 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
So 5 scummy people then aqua?
Yup. There's 40+ hours left in the day, I have confidence in being able to narrow it down in good time before the lynch. You have a problem with that? Why so defensive man. I was just clarifying.
Well, I've pretty clearly mentioned five people in that post. So either you can't count or that post was intended to point out that I haven't hugely narrowed down my list of suspects.
I don't see what needs "clarifying" at all about how many people were named in that post.
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On February 10 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 12:40 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 10 2014 12:29 Aquanim wrote:On February 10 2014 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
So 5 scummy people then aqua?
Yup. There's 40+ hours left in the day, I have confidence in being able to narrow it down in good time before the lynch. You have a problem with that? Why so defensive man. I was just clarifying. Well, I've pretty clearly mentioned five people in that post. So either you can't count or that post was intended to point out that I haven't hugely narrowed down my list of suspects. I don't see what needs "clarifying" at all about how many people were named in that post. maybe you didnt mention someone else you thought was scummy.
OK so that's what you were getting at. Yes, I don't see myself lynching outside that group today, though I'd really love to see some more LoneMeow posts.
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Hey Hopeless. Do you think that if Coag replaced into a town slot night 1 after a day one scum lynch he'd give up like he has? I mean, he'd probably lurk no matter what his alignment, but I feel like he's given up on the game entirely.
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Okay next question @Hopeless: How do you feel the last two or three pages of discussion reflect on Oats?
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On February 10 2014 13:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
I feel that Oats is well equipped for upsetting people.
What I meant was "how do they impact your read on his alignment?"
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On February 10 2014 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol what a loaded question aqua.
Why do you think my question was loaded? I don't think there's any reference to my own feelings one way or another in it.
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On February 10 2014 13:25 Hopeless1der wrote:How I feel Oats is being portrayed recently, self-deserved or not. Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 10:08 Foolishness wrote:I'm going to quote this as a reminder to us all to be ignorant and not stupid, cause even I'm getting paranoid about what's going on here. On August 06 2011 20:35 Ace wrote:
Even dumber than 2 years ago.
Player A: Prove you're Town.
Player B: What? That absurdly ridi-
Player A: He can't do it! Lynch him!
Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him!
or the equally stupid because it's the same thing:
Player A: Prove you aren't Mafia.
Player B: ....
Player A: He's defending himself! Lynch him! Defending yourself is a scumtell!
Jubjubs: My god! Why didn't we see this before! *smacks collective forehead*
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Try to be on the ignorant side, ok?
The people that voted for sandroba are town. WoS is mafia. Kitaman as his partner makes a lot of sense.
So are you saying you think Oats is a townie being pressured unreasonably, or just that he's being pressured unreasonably (his alignment aside)?
And just because Ace said something doesn't mean the analogy holds for every case somebody makes on somebody else. I don't see anyone asking Oats to "prove he's town" or "prove he's not scum". I see Balla asking Oats to elaborate on his reads.
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On February 10 2014 14:21 Coagulation wrote:
99% sure jay is scum
Do you have a reason to be so sure jay is scum?
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Well, there's a decent chance at least that Coag's scum and we're going to have to do this sooner or later I think.
##Vote: Coagulation
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G'morning lads and lasses.
I'm happy with my vote where it is. I'm not 100% on Coag-scum but I doubt I can improve my read on him - and honestly leaving him alive would sap my will to live, let alone play.
If anyone has some truly compelling reason to call Coag town, feel free to share it though.
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