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On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote:
Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff.
That is a sick sick catch Balla, My King. The fact that Jonny hasn't jumped on Jay at all is really suspicious, especially Jay's post where you pointed out he was making excuses for no reason.
Another thing I noticed about Jonny is that he spends a lot of time saying how stupid your opening post is, but that's all it amounts to. Just adding fluff to the game. He appreciates I start the game 'with style' by asking him this question "Why the hell is a giant post that balla OBVIOUSLY wrote before the roles were revealed, make him scum?", and then proceeds to ignore my question and continue to berate balla for the bad post.
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wahaha My King you are funny :D
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Oats why isn't your vote on me?
Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is.
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lol get off my case Oats.
I told you why I thought Jay's play was forced and why I think it's scummy and you don't agree with it. What else am I going to do?
His case against Koshi is BAD. Seriously. Koshi is scum because he's not happy?
Tell me why you think his case against Koshi is good and maybe we can have a decent discussion.
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My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen?
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Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read.
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Our Jester JonnyLaw has only participated in the thread when there were but four of us in the chamber.
I wish to see him dance and tell tales now that the castle is alive with our many guests, before forming any further opinions of his conduct.
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I shall also adjourn to my chambers  Alone, but for the company of my faithful pet.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Yh7eD.jpg) bahhhhhhhhh
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@Jonny, your thoughts on Jay please. I don't like how you spent a lot of time criticizing Balla's responses to Jay, and yet didn't mention Jay's case at all aside from a few vague one liners.
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not just Jay's case but even Jay's overall activity at that time.
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I is here if you are Aqua
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Just waking up but I'll have a few more comments in a bit.
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Sidesprang, cont'd
On February 07 2014 17:56 sidesprang wrote:
If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good.
You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play.
Perfectly legitimate appeal. So let's see what he's done since this post.
On February 07 2014 18:44 sidesprang wrote:
k, dont wanna give out town / nullreads tho cause I don't see the town benefit in doing so.
Currently I got three people on my watchlist.
JayB: This guy was an easy townread for me last game. ATM I'm not getting that at all, he made loads of bad posts so far, which don't make you scum. But I'm not getting the same easy read as last game which makes me wanting to see more contributions from him.
Jonny: A lot of the same as JayB. Had this guy as an easy townread in my Newbie game. Not getting the same vibe atm. He got a Balla case coming up tho, so let's see where that goes.
Oats: He sheeped onto JayB, and seems certain he is scum. Without adding his own thoughts. He was also quick to jump on Suki when aqua mentioned her, which I found wierd seeing how certain he acted against JayB.
feels like it could be from town sidesprang.... but uh that's about it. He has like two more posts. He glosses over Oats' questions about my case on him.
Overall my opinion hasn't changed, different in a scummy way and still need to see more, but I think some hard questions directed at him are in order.
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@Sidesprang
Hi Sidesprang,
Like Oats said, Aqua was only questioning about my meta (which you so kindly commented on). His case on me was completely separate from Aqua's line of thought.
You said 'without adding his own thoughts, he was also quick to jump on suki', but he clearly posted why he was voting me:
On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game?
##vote Suki
I'd like you to comment on his case and his pressure on me. How is Oats scummy from his actions?
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On February 07 2014 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
About Sidesprang ... do you think his analysis of your meta is accurate?
Basically his comment is, I'm more trolly and having fun compared to all my previous games. This is obviously true. Overall it's accurate but he's not really saying anything deep.
I'm not going to tell you whether or not this is more likely to come from a town suki or a scum suki, because as we learned last game from Koshi a person saying that X and Y can't come from them when they're scum doesn't mean anything. I'll let you come to that conclusion on your own.
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On February 07 2014 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
About Sidesprang's 'focus' on discussing your meta and defending you... do you think that's more reasonable considering that I specifically asked for opinions on my observations about you?
It's reasonable. I'm willing to wait and see what else he contributes.
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Wait a sec.
@sidesprang Oats asked you what you think of me and Balla and you didn't answer. I also would like to know your thoughts on Balla.
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You can be the Chancellor, Koshi.
+ Show Spoiler + The Chancellor is always evil! and more than likely a monster disgused as a human
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EPT
